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Altmer, Thalmor, and the Aldmeri Dominion


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I've seen a lot of people saying "Oh its Thalmor, those stuck up Altmer...."
(Even though its unlogical to believe all Thalmor are the race of Mer or specifically Altmer.)
So I want to educate people about how the Thalmor and Altmer and the Aldmeri Dominion as well, to explain who they truely are and why they do so.

Altmer are stubborn and believe they are superior, however they should be allowed to say so. They are the most direct race from the Aldmer, the first Mer race, the Altmer have risen they're cities to be unimaginabley tall and beauitful, they live to be centuries old (Queen Ayrenn is only 136 and TES:O says shes very young for a Altmer.) as well as Altmer being the first to inhabit Tamriel. The Altmer overall are superior in most ways especially in culture. However sometimes they do take it a little to far.

The Thalmor, they are not all stubborn and arrogant and cruel. I believe TES:Skyrim made Thalmor look the wrong way. When they are simply just diplomats that seek to win against they're enemies. There is not difference from a Nord killing a Nord between a Thalmor Emissary killing a Nord.

The Aldmeri Dominion seeks to simply make Tamriel as it "should of been", under Meri control. The Aldmeri Dominion has showed that they will not stop in future lore after TES:O. They defeated a "undefeatable" Empire that once controlled all of Tamriel. They took Cyrodiil and outlawed Talos worship. People seem to think that whatever Thalmor do in kill/hostile relative activity is far more brutal from a Nord doing the same.

In closing, the Altmer, Thalmor, and Aldmeri Dominion are not really so different from the Empire and were defintilly misjudged and also poorly made by Bethesda.

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The Thalmor consider themselves superior just because they are older and they believe we don't have wisdom,but that's not true. And yes,not every Mer is a Thalmor,so they shouldn't insult Bosmer or Dunmer or Khajjiit.


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Yes. The fact that they tortured anyone who thought ill of them (Grey-Mane) or made them look bad (Bosmer girl at Diplomatic Immuntity) is completely justified by their reasoning that they are the most superior race on Tamriel. And of course those massacres in Valenwood were completely overrated. And when they murdered hundreds of Blades before the war even started it showed their intelligence and wisdom.


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You should look at liger's post which is called understanding the Aldmeri Dominion.
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I was just wondering, do the Aldmeri Dominion consider the Orsimer still "Mer" or have they disowned them?
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Orismer were once mer before they became sick and twisted with daedra worship. Now they are as deformed as Falmer - also an ex-mer race


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Ah... well I believe in some of the obscure lore so I've reason to hate the thalmor of 4th era. I agree though this is not the same dominion, but it still can't be denied that altmers are arrogant and a proud race. But bottom line I definitely agree that the dominion is no less petty than the other 2 factions
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(January 11th 2013 03:07 PM)CaptainRandom Wrote:  You should look at liger's post which is called understanding the Aldmeri Dominion.

I did. I made the same argument there


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(January 11th 2013 02:19 PM)Iogairn Wrote:  Yes. The fact that they tortured anyone who thought ill of them (Grey-Mane) or made them look bad (Bosmer girl at Diplomatic Immuntity) is completely justified by their reasoning that they are the most superior race on Tamriel. And of course those massacres in Valenwood were completely overrated. And when they murdered hundreds of Blades before the war even started it showed their intelligence and wisdom.

Yep, pretty much.

Though sarcastic, its the truth.

They believe that they have a certain divine right to rule Tamriel as their ancestors, the Aldmer, were its first created inhabitants by the Aedra during the Dawn Era. This is their basic claim to the throne -- except there's one problem, they aren't the only Aldmer around.

You don't see the Orcs or Dunmer "demanding" the throne, and they're also descendants of ancient Aldmer. Those two are fighting for the simple reason of not being ruled. The Dunmer just want to live their lives in Morrowind following their own religious and cultural traditions, and the Orcs just want recognition of their very existence.


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(January 12th 2013 07:25 AM)Reichmar12 Wrote:  They believe that they have a certain divine right to rule Tamriel as their ancestors, the Aldmer, were its first created inhabitants by the Aedra during the Dawn Era. This is their basic claim to the throne -- except there's one problem, they aren't the only Aldmer around.

You don't see the Orcs or Dunmer "demanding" the throne, and they're also descendants of ancient Aldmer. Those two are fighting for the simple reason of not being ruled. The Dunmer just want to live their lives in Morrowind following their own religious and cultural traditions, and the Orcs just want recognition of their very existence.

It's that we are much more closely related; hell, there may not even be a difference between the Aldmer and Altmer.


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The Thalmor wish to kill all humanoid races so they get to live as immortals once more. The Aldmeri Dominion, like Reichmar and the Queen of the domion said, demand the throne and wish to rule all dominate above all. Now the Nords on the other hand, there are quite a deal of them that want to rule aswell. But every race has people who want that thing.

However, the majority of Nords do not want to dominate and kill all other races to make themselves the only ones left. No, they just fight to remain independant of others. Like I've said before:

- What is Manimarco, the king of worms and necromancy? An Altmer.
- What was Mankar Camoran, the leader of the Mythic Dawn? An Altmer.
- What was the assassin that killed emperor Uriel Septim VII? An Altmer
- Who wished to take over Tamriel and kill all other races in the proces? The Altmer
- Who wished to destroy Winterhold and possibly Nirn? Ancano the Altmer

Not saying all Altmer are bad, but...
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(January 12th 2013 08:30 AM)Beor of Skyrim Wrote:  The Thalmor wish to kill all humanoid races so they get to live as immortals once more. The Aldmeri Dominion, like Reichmar and the Queen of the domion said, demand the throne and wish to rule all dominate above all. Now the Nords on the other hand, there are quite a deal of them that want to rule aswell. But every race has people who want that thing.

However, the majority of Nords do not want to dominate and kill all other races to make themselves the only ones left. No, they just fight to remain independant of others. Like I've said before:

- What is Manimarco, the king of worms and necromancy? An Altmer.
- What was Mankar Camoran, the leader of the Mythic Dawn? An Altmer.
- What was the assassin that killed emperor Uriel Septim VII? An Altmer
- Who wished to take over Tamriel and kill all other races in the proces? The Altmer
- Who wished to destroy Winterhold and possibly Nirn? Ancano the Altmer

Not saying all Altmer are bad, but...

If you watch the latest developer video on the ESO website, the lead lore developer describes the intent of all factions. He actually makes a statement that Queen Ayrenn (an Altmer) wants to kill Manimarco. The elves have good reason to want to retake Cyrodill after all they built it and they dont want to wipe out all other races they just want to push the humans back so they can resume a peaceful rule under the elves like it used to be.


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The op and many others seem to misunderstand the Altmer greatly. And their ideals.
there has been a simmilar thread already trying to shed light on the past and future dominion. It wasnt much better tho.

I will reserve my repost of my lenghty "why elves are wrong at everything and will never rule anything" lore excerpt for later, but i can give you some insight.

To begin with it is important to understand the state of mind of elves, and the story of how they became to be. I will try to give you a simplified verison, for the sake of clarity.

When Lorkahn tricked the original et'ada into forming the earthbones, and turning into the elnofey, two groups emerged.

One group was furious at Lorkahn, taking away their divinity and forcing them into this constrained world.
They hated him for all his gifts (wich was the gift of teaching the psijiic endeavor, by failing) and wanted to revert back into the former state. These will be later known as "mer"
However there was a second group, who relished the creation of Padhomes firstborn. and they spread all over nirn. Embracing this new world created for them. This group of elnofey would later become the Humans of this world. Those that sidet with Lorkahn, or so the aldmer used to say.

The Aldmer discovered Ada-mant in todays High Rock, and saw its divine origin. And started making buildings in its liking. Seeing Ada-mant as a gateway to the place (Place in this context does not mean a physical place but a state of beeing -> aetherius) they desired to go back to, not realizing that they will never be able to do so.
They created white-gold, tree-sap, crystal-like-law and so on, besides snow-throat, red-mountain and brass-walk

they would later bite their own arses for doing so.

So why do i tell you all of this? Because they have not changed one little bit!
The Altmer, seeing themselves as the one true ancestors of the Aldmer, still try to un-create the universe. Well ok they dont actually know that. Because they are idiots. But the dwemer did.
The means for achieving this vary greatly. However the most "Logical" step for them was to breed themselves in such a way to resemble the old Aldmer, following the flawed tradition of fashioning oneself in the liking of a long gone era, that is beeing desired to be brought back.
In this. they perform ethnic cleansing, eugenics and other cruel ways, perverting the very image they were trying to create.

More polemic imperial scholars claim that they would "all look indistinguishable from one another" wich istn quite true but about as true to the intention as it gets.
And yess i just pointed this one out to make you feel how desperate they actually are.

In fact. Existance pains them. It to them is a constraint. And here is the important point that you seem to miss. How can one be entitled to rule something? If one dispises it wich such a burning passion? If one dispises the very idea of existance as a whole?

Do you still wonder why the Velothi left? or the Dwemer? Or the followers of Trinnimac?
They found their place in the world! They found out the true name of the world wich is Tam-Rugh.

In fact. One could say the Dwemer were alot closer to actually realizing the goals of the Altmer as the Altmer themselves.
Instead of uncreating the Universe. The Dwemer tried to un-create themselves. To form Animunculi.
That means they wanted to de-volve their souls from the large ones we have now, to one little one we had at the beginning of the universe. So to speak. in very very simplified turns.

The Altmer do not quite realize this as of yet, their main agenda seems to be, to deactive the towers, that, and mind you this is speculation right there because we dont actually know, have actually been built in the same purpose to begin with. Just misinterpreted.

It seems like the Aldmeri Dominion of the fourth era are trying to deactivate all the Towers (including snow throat for that matter) to crush the stability of the world. Making it revert back to the dawn era. Of course this thinking is flawed (because why would you build them in the first place? idiots)

And knowing that i want to keep a more effectfull thing for the end of my post: What role does man play in the Merrish worldview?
I think this is the most well known one.
To those of Aldmeri descent (in mind, not body) Humanity is a plague. Some even say it is the reason the world is the way it is. The Altmer seem to think that, by siding with lorkahn, men have created Nirn in the sense we know it now.
Therfor, genocide is not enaugh (like they did with the beastmen of sumurset) To them, men have to bee eliminated from the pattern of possibility, thinking that this somehow will rever the world back.
You can probably see why this theory is absoluteley bonkers, as Humanity itself had nothing to do with Lorkahns trickery.

i hope this gives you a better understanding of the true inferiority of the Altmer.
Not yet?
Let me elaborate.
Everything the Aldmer, and the Altmer as a result, created is due to weakness. Everything they ever made is their weakness. The fact that they cannot accept their state of affairs. They have created the Towers, not because they wanted to errect large phallic symbols of their powers like men would. No. But because they were too frail for this world and could not live with the harsh truth of mortality.
Their whole realm. their domination of nature is just an expression of their own failure to adapt.
And their tyranny over early mankind shows that they knew, from the beginning, that men would eventually overcome them. Because they dont cling to the dawn era like a spurned wench.

So how could the Altmer be entitled to rule anything? Considering they are too weak to exist.
This is truly a pathetic story.
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I don't hate "mer" i hate Altmer, Queen Ayrenn is probably the only Altmer i admire, or acknowledge, i am not saying that every single Altmer is bad, its most likely only around 90% of them. Most of the reason's i hate Atlmer, was mentioned by Sordak and Iogairn, so as to not waste time and copy paste all that please read posts above.
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Anyone think the Thalmor will not just want to control for power of cyordiil but also be strict/hard on bosmer when we meet them around Valenwood Aldmeri HQ?


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