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Analogies between Tamriel provinces and Realworld


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I tried to figure out, how the the provinces of Tamriel will look like. There are given ones, like Morrowind, Skyrim and Cyrodiil. But the landscapes and climates of the ohter regions are just described: These descriptions I´m looking for.

But to get a better image, try to compare it with the real world.

To start with:

Skyrim is very like the northermost lands of our world, it has even glaciers on it. You can compare it to Skandinavia. Also there are great forest, like in Canada or the Russian Taiga. Volcanic regions remember of Iceland or Yellow stone in the U.S.. The Reach could be compared with Scottish Highlands, also for having barbarian warriors in it, fighting for their independence (don´t want to compare Scotts with Forsworn. These crazy Daedraworshippers suck ;)!)

Any additions? Any suggestions for the other provinces?

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I'm really not a fan of these sort of topics. There is never a one-one correspondence between Tamrielic province or group of people and a real-world equivalent. In every case, they are either very original, or an unusual juxtaposition of real-world ideas. Saying "this province is like this place in the real world" limits what we think of Tamriel (which is, after all, a fantasy setting!) and causes us to make generalizations that just don't hold up. For instance, Nords are not Vikings or Norse, Imperials are not Romans (well, not real-world Romans), Redguards are not Moors, Ashlanders are not Native Americans, and the people of High Rock are not, as you point out, Scottish. Some inspiration can be seen in each of these, but always make up a small amount of the imaginative content of each Tamrielic province.

However, that's just a rant on the subject of comparing cultures. Purely in terms of geography, there are a few more parallels to be made, some of which are legitimate.

My favourite one is a description of Nibenay (central, eastern and southern Cyrodiil) that I heard: it's like Venice in the jungle. I'd also consider it to have a bit of rural China, and the river Ganges. This matches up with what we read in the Pocket Guide, less so with how it appears in the game, but the "lore version" is more interesting to me.
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yeah that doesnt work. i agree with Umpteen.
All of the Factions have real world inspirations, but ofthen in very weird ways. the Nords are thrown together of germans, gauls, vikings, mongols, russians, ancient egypt, ancient china and native americans.

just as one example.
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(December 14th 2012 08:12 AM)Idriar Wrote:  But the landscapes and climates of the ohter regions are just described: These descriptions I´m looking for.

Sorry for any misconceptions. Just asked about landscapes and climates. Shouldn´t have mentioned the Forsworn at all...


Who controls the Septim crown?
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Who knocked Yokuda off the maps?
Who keeps the Dwemer under wraps?
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even then its just one big mashup.
over half the plants growing in Skyrim are from america. Gourds, Tomatos , potatoes... all of that is from america.
many others like the chery trees are from asia.
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if us as humans have created something, regardless of whether it be non fiction or not, has FOR THE MOST been based off of something. now this something can be plural surely! I agree in the sense that skyrim has the Swedish look to it. and skyrims boarder to the ghost see look practicably identical to that of the Norwegian coast. regardless our friend umpteen does have a point, that it salts the certain fantasy feel. these are after all, all theoretical given that we have not been told of the inspiration into the creation of tamriel. but for the most part I can agree with these perceptions, and for the most part can comply with my personal opinion of real life synchronization of location.
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yess but if you do that you dont look at it properly. ok the landscape might look a little like scandinavia. it also looks a bit like russia. a bit like the scottish highlands, a bit like austria, a bit like canada. it looks like alot of things.

you cannot pin down the real life inspirations of each of the cultures in TES just to one.
that doesnt work. Since when did the ancient scandinavians mumify their corpses? i tend to say never.
It has a viking ish vibe to it. but way more is hidden underneath that.
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This is just what I think:
Nords- Vikingr, Germanic, Saxon
Morrowind- Judaea (however its spelt) because of the seperate temples and a chosen one (Jesus, Nereavarine) who tries to change them.
Argonia- Nomadic African tribes, though they've added a huge amount of culture.
Elsweyr- Moorish Spain
Valenwood- Ancient South American jungles (Mayan, Incan, Aztec)
Hammerfell-African because of the desert and the piracy on High Rock
High Rock- Feudal France with cultures of Italian city states.
Orsinium- Hard, but the closest I've got is ancient Scottish Highlands; clans, taking after father/mother's name (Mc, Gro)
Reach- Not actually a Kingdom but its culture gives an Irish impression
Alinor- Not a clue...
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Although all fantasy will draw on reality and certainly for source material Zenimax will draw information based on our world making these parallels is a little like Cowboys versus Aliens or Abraham Lincoln, Zombie Slayer. Fun but vulgar. Associating The Orsinium with the Scots may work inside your head but I would not go advertising it!

It has been documented that TESO will draw on Central American cultures (where Mayan, Incan & Aztec empires were situated (not South America))for the region "elves" call Argonia. Elsweyr parallel of Moorish Spain is a good one as the Khajiit were invaders (and the Moors understanding of medicine was superior to Christian advances so a skooma parallel there as well).

Time will tell what flavour each region will have...


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Morrowind judea ? I dont think so. But I find very funny the comparison between the nerevarine and jesus
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(December 15th 2012 02:10 PM)Fhynrood Wrote:  Morrowind judea ? I dont think so. But I find very funny the comparison between the nerevarine and jesus

It seemed alright to me...
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(December 15th 2012 02:49 PM)Iogairn Wrote:  
(December 15th 2012 02:10 PM)Fhynrood Wrote:  Morrowind judea ? I dont think so. But I find very funny the comparison between the nerevarine and jesus

It seemed alright to me...
I can enumerate the differences instead of the points in common.
Jesus was born from a virgin, in contraposition of the "uncertain parents" or "uncertain sings" , he born under the star in the sky and son of a virgin and God.
He was betrayed but for his will, and died for the sins of the human kind. Instead, Indoril Nerevar death is unknown for certain, he may be killed by the Tribunal or in the battle of red mountain.
Jesus was a messiah, and in his words, destined to be the son of god in earth. Indoril Nerevar was a general, who united the people under one banner (Jesus even separate his doctrine from the judean original one).
Finally, Jesus is intended to reborn itself to bring the end of time and the final judgement.
Indoril Nerevar was not reborn HIMSELF, instead he reincarnated in a different person who fulfilled a prophecy, and in the end, to bring the doom to the dunmer .( This point may have some things in common but in the whole is much different).
I can go on and on, but well, this is enough I think.
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There seems to be some connection with Redguards and certain real world populations.
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(December 15th 2012 04:01 PM)Gavyyn Wrote:  There seems to be some connection with Redguards and certain real world populations.

As there is a connection between Nords and certain populations.

Don't start it again, please. It's tiresome.




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yes it is unfair to plaster a label to any given location in relationship with tamriel and a real world location. regardless all depictions must be considered. all though some should be considered inaccurate. and yes your link between jesus and the N dude is a bit stretched. but I could care less.. not that I believe in them anyway.
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