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Cross Faction playing, Are you for it?


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With ESO releasing the game with Mega-Servers how is Cross Faction playing going to work.

If it rolls out the way I think it might I am against the idea as I think it will create an imbalance in the FactionvsFaction battles.

Right now, the way I understand it, you can play any of the 3 factions at any time. If I am playing AD, and we are losing in FvF that is to stop me from bouncing over to my other faction character and join the zerg and smash my friends?

Or, if AD is planning a relic raid to capture one of the Relics of Power in FvF, what is to stop someone from the other faction popping into our FvF chat and "spying". They could relay the information back to their guildies and they could plan a counter offensive.

I hope they make it that you'd need another account to roll a different faction but with this idea people will complain that you'd need to spend $60x3 in order to play every side.


I really hope they don't allow cross faction but I also do hope they do it. I guess I'm just against the Mega-Server in regards to the FvF. But I am also for it because I think it will create an enormous community.

It's hard to say I guess, what are your thoughts on the idea of cross faction playing on a mega-server?

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The thing about making different characters: I believe it was stated that your alts will not be in the same Campaign. So if you're losing on your main, you can't simply switch over to the winning side, as your alt will be in an entirely different PvP Campaign.


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(November 8th 2012 08:05 AM)Tecca Wrote:  The thing about making different characters: I believe it was stated that your alts will not be in the same Campaign. So if you're losing on your main, you can't simply switch over to the winning side, as your alt will be in an entirely different PvP Campaign.



So there's going to be multiple different Cryodiil areas based on your compaign?

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(November 8th 2012 08:09 AM)Garbrac Wrote:  
(November 8th 2012 08:05 AM)Tecca Wrote:  The thing about making different characters: I believe it was stated that your alts will not be in the same Campaign. So if you're losing on your main, you can't simply switch over to the winning side, as your alt will be in an entirely different PvP Campaign.



So there's going to be multiple different Cryodiil areas based on your compaign?

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I believe so, that is the only thing I can think of.
Also, because they are going with the Tri Factions scenario, I don't believe they will allow you to have alt characters in another faction. If you're AD, you're AD until you delete all of your characters and switch factions.
Just guessing..
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Nope, glad the devs going the direction they go.


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(November 8th 2012 08:32 AM)Rocky Wrote:  
(November 8th 2012 08:09 AM)Garbrac Wrote:  
(November 8th 2012 08:05 AM)Tecca Wrote:  The thing about making different characters: I believe it was stated that your alts will not be in the same Campaign. So if you're losing on your main, you can't simply switch over to the winning side, as your alt will be in an entirely different PvP Campaign.
So there's going to be multiple different Cryodiil areas based on your campaign?

I believe so, that is the only thing I can think of.
Also, because they are going with the Tri Factions scenario, I don't believe they will allow you to have alt characters in another faction. If you're AD, you're AD until you delete all of your characters and switch factions.
Just guessing..

If that's the case than why would Alts be in a different campaign, I mean that goes against the structured group design, what if I have a tank and a Ranged DPS Alt and our structured group is all full of tanks and we needed my ranged DPS, in this situation he would be in a different campaign.

Not to mention if there were multiple campaigns there would be multiple Emperors.

Back in DAoC (the main PvP guy for ESO is the DAoC Design for RvR) they had different servers but the same type of PvP/FvF/RvR. 3 factions, Albion/Midgard/Hibernia and they all fought for ownership in the frontiers. But alts were all able to join the same one.

TrollScroll is supppose to be having a "Ask the Dev" session they just haven't announced a date for it (ARGH!) and I hope they shed more light on how the FvF/PvP will work.

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I'd guess that your alts will be faction tied to your main. Doesn't make sense to have an alt in every faction so you can fight for different ones on different days.

Pick one faction and go -- there's only one server too, so it isn't like you can roll a EP on one and a DC on another.

I'm with Rage here, glad they're going this route.


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But people are talking about rolling 3 characters, one in each of the alliances, simply to see the whole of Tamriel. Are you saying that they'd have to delete their AD chars in order to make a DC one?

This doesn't seem right, since they've restricted a character to one of the three areas, it seems only fair to allow a way to see the whole map. I know in SWTOR I could have some chars on the Republic and some Empirial at the same time. I never tried in WoW to have chars on the dark side but I thought that I could along with my Light side characters if I wanted to.

I think that we are already restricted to the land areas of each alliance and don't need anymore restrictions - if there are too many, people might not play just for that reason. Games basically are about freedom.


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(November 8th 2012 10:01 AM)CedarLilly Wrote:  This doesn't seem right, since they've restricted a character to one of the three areas, it seems only fair to allow a way to see the whole map. I know in SWTOR I could have some chars on the Republic and some Empirial at the same time. I never tried in WoW to have chars on the dark side but I thought that I could along with my Light side characters if I wanted to.

You can't compare SWTOR and WoW to this type of game strictly because of the PvP Systems.

In ESO and GW2 and DAoC you have planned and structured attacks, you can't just go free balling into FvF/PvP and expect to hold your own. You need a plan of attack, and to be organized.

ESO will have Keep Structures, a Open PvP Dungeon (Similar to Darkness Falls for those who played DAoC) and Relics, all of which will be organized events to capture and hold.

The Relic Raids will be massive, they will be no simple feat, they will require (if it is anything like DAoC) a min of 20 perfectly organized people

With the ability to switch between factions, what is there to stop someone from joining AD FvF/PvP and read the chat and "spy" on our events just to place defences up to prevent us.

That is my biggest concern about Cross Faction Playing.

But on the other side of it, I do want to experience the other sides, and with it being Mega Servers I have a feeling it will not be possible.
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Concerned or not, such restrictions are not happening, they arent going to kill the game in that way.

I can understand why you are worried, but its common on all games and here will always be such cheaters as they simply feel more joy from cheating people rather than playing the game. Proposed restriction would extremely severely hit common players while hardly prevent such cheatoholic from having 2 accounts and pulling his cheat off anyway. As I said, its not happening

Mind the "spies" wont see chat of organized groups like pvp guilds anyway, and those are the ones really having impact


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(November 8th 2012 10:14 AM)Garbrac Wrote:  ESO will have Keep Structures, a Open PvP Dungeon (Similar to Darkness Falls for those who played DAoC) and Relics, all of which will be organized events to capture and hold.

The Relic Raids will be massive, they will be no simple feat, they will require (if it is anything like DAoC) a min of 20 perfectly organized people

I think I did read somewhere that there will be a collective Dungeon province or something for people who fail in the PVP (?) I think. Not sure.
Will these massive Relic Raids be like seiges in Shadowbane? I will enjoy them, if so.


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I think rare people can buy more than one TESO box, and can add more accounts as characters in same login time, i hope it is forbidden, but i doubt. Anyone can add fake name and random proxy IP.

It is what i saw 5 "same" names, but random word on it from WoW...Nine hells...

I hope it is forbidden ;)


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(November 8th 2012 11:49 AM)CedarLilly Wrote:  people who fail in the PVP (?)

I see that rather offensive, I prefer PvE myself and do PvP only rarely with friends, does that make me fail? I dont like to be annoyed when im in mood for clearing a dungeon with friends

Perhaps you should say "not interested in PvP"

@Xoo
Having 5 accounts is perfectly possible, its 5x profit for ZOS, no way to restrict people in that way either.

Dont know whats wrong with people lately, seems everyone is obsessed with forcing others to play his way and inventing new and new ways to restrict people. Its weird


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(November 8th 2012 11:56 AM)Xoo Wrote:  I think rare people can buy more than one TESO box, and can add more accounts as characters in same login time, i hope it is forbidden, but i doubt. Anyone can add fake name and random proxy IP.

It is what i saw 5 "same" names, but random word on it from WoW...Nine hells...

I hope it is forbidden ;)

(November 8th 2012 12:08 PM)Rage Wrote:  
(November 8th 2012 11:49 AM)CedarLilly Wrote:  people who fail in the PVP (?)

I see that rather offensive, I prefer PvE myself and do PvP only rarely with friends, does that make me fail? I dont like to be annoyed when im in mood for clearing a dungeon with friends

Perhaps you should say "not interested in PvP"

@Xoo
Having 5 accounts is perfectly possible, its 5x profit for ZOS, no way to restrict people in that way either.

Dont know whats wrong with people lately, seems everyone is obsessed with forcing others to play his way and inventing new and new ways to restrict people. Its weird



Welcome to the MMO Forums :D There is only one correct way to play and it is never your way.


Rage I don't know if you played DAoC but the dungeon I was refering to (Darkness Falls in DAoC)

This dungeon is accessable by all 3 factions, but only one faction at a time has full entry and exit to it. in DAoC it was based on the Frontier Ownership, the Faction with the most ownership got access to it.

OT - This dungeon was HUGE, it had a raid section in the bottom everyone from level 15-50 used it to level. Each faction had its own side and they all met in a crossroad which also lead to the raid section.


What we used to do, is I was the leader of an 8man and we would go to the frontiers take the keeps we needed to, to get ownership of DF and we would run into DF on our side, rush to the faction's side that owned it, kill everyone leveling, and than take the 8man down into the raid section and kill the 50+ people zerging the mobs.

Was sooo much fun and when I heard they were introducing one of these into ESO I almost messed my pants.

Now my focus has been put into Guild Recruitment to build some solid teams to go in and wreck havoc in Cryodiil and the open PvP Dungeon.


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I'm not quite sure that you are forced to play PvP if you don't want to, Rage. I am quite sure that there will be more than enough PvE content to satisfy everyone that isn't interested, competitive or otherwise in PvP -- which is why the faction population rosters are irrelavent when discussing imbalances now.

That said, there are PvE locations with PvP elements in them. That is just the way some of those open dungeons are going to work. You'll have to be able to defend yourselves -- but remember you will have the advantage being dug in.

I think that its imporant to remember that regardless of what aspect of the game you prefer, albeit PvE or PvP, there will be groups of people organizing to do so in the most efficient ways. If that highly competitive world isn't your thing, then I'm sure there will be guilds with that in mind.

Before this game goes live, why don't we start to avoid the lolnoob arguments.

When I joke about PvP, its because I'm competitive and will organize other like-minded folk to dominate Cyrodiil with. I don't intend to impose that on anyone or put down anyone who prefers the dungeon crawl experience. And there will still be plenty of room for anyone who wants to join in on the fun, even if all you like to do is PvE. This is a team effort, after all. We'll all find ways to work together.


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