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So I am curious to see how faction balancing is going to work, especially for pvp, with the mega server. It has me a little worried. What if 100,000 people roll Daggerfall, 200,000 people roll on Aldmeri, and 500,000 people roll Ebonheart? Is that it, game over? The people on the populated side would probably face large queue times and competetion, while the smaller factions would just get annihilated in the pvp map due to a smaller population/ratio of good players. Nobody would be able to choose a different server to help even things out. Or am I missing something completely here?
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Post #10782
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Aldmeri Dominion (Altmer)

(November 19th 2012 07:52 PM)Hashbrowns Wrote:  So I am curious to see how faction balancing is going to work, especially for pvp, with the mega server. It has me a little worried. What if 100,000 people roll Daggerfall, 200,000 people roll on Aldmeri, and 500,000 people roll Ebonheart? Is that it, game over? The people on the populated side would probably face large queue times and competetion, while the smaller factions would just get annihilated in the pvp map due to a smaller population/ratio of good players. Nobody would be able to choose a different server to help even things out. Or am I missing something completely here?

I highly doubt it'll be THAT skewed, but I share your concerns... I estimate a worst case scenario to be 52-54% ebonheart.
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Post #10785
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Maybe there will be bonuses to rolling a toon for a faction with the lower population. like XP bonuses. to help encourage balance.


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Post #10787
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If balancing gets really out of hand, I wouldn't doubt if we were forced into specific PvP campaigns. As they've stated, we will kind of be able to choose our campaign and hop every now and then. Every Cyrodiil campaign is going to be filled with different people and guilds, so it's hard to know for sure if we'll run into balancing issues.

I wouldn't think that the Ebonheart would have that many more people than the other two factions though. In the case of being overpopulated, I believe a double team against the Pact could help balance things out.

(November 19th 2012 08:04 PM)Qallidex Wrote:  I highly doubt it'll be THAT skewed, but I share your concerns... I estimate a worst case scenario to be 52-54% ebonheart.

That's a mighty fine statistic. Did you know that 64.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot?


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Post #10788
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(November 19th 2012 08:18 PM)Tecca Wrote:  
(November 19th 2012 08:04 PM)Qallidex Wrote:  I highly doubt it'll be THAT skewed, but I share your concerns... I estimate a worst case scenario to be 52-54% ebonheart.

That's a mighty fine statistic. Did you know that 64.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

An admin baiting a flame war, that's refreshing.
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Post #10794
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Well maybe if the other factions wern't full of suck...

Aika, a RvR game with 5 nations, had some interesting balance methods. They had 2 types, one based on populations in which people in the lowest populated nation would get lvling bonus, starter kits and what not. It worked pretty well.

The other was later in the game and it was based on a nations relic count, or strength. Should one nation hold on to to many relics for to long they were actually forced to drop alliance (if allied with one of the other nations) and i also want to say their temples became weaker.

So one was a population balance, in the form of PvE bonus. The other was a Power balance in the form of PvP penalty.


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Post #10796
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Guys you tend to forget that only 400~ people have voted. That's only ONE battlefield. Have you got any idea how many more battlefields the future gamers of TES:O can fill? :P It's just like elections. A few months earlier, someone gets a head start and at the end, everything is at a few percentiles difference. :P


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Post #10844
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(November 19th 2012 08:53 PM)Olermir Wrote:  Guys you tend to forget that only 400~ people have voted. That's only ONE battlefield. Have you got any idea how many more battlefields the future gamers of TES:O can fill? :P It's just like elections. A few months earlier, someone gets a head start and at the end, everything is at a few percentiles difference. :P

Well, EP have been far ahead in every single poll I've seen, not surprising considering they have Nords/Dunmer/Argonians on one faction, that said, there's a relatively easy way to balance this. Just allow cheap server xfers for people in the EP (but maybe only allow 1 transfer per 6-12 months per character), and only allow AD people to switch to DC, and DC to AD, but don't allow anyone to swtich from AD or DC to EP. Slowly, over time, it would balance out.
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Post #10848
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Most people registered at this site have not even chosen a Race yet .. it's a bit early to worry about balancing .... grr, a word that I hate to hear from devs, usually means lose of power to someone.

I know there will be seperate campaigns, from their saying that your alts cannot jump to the same campaign as you main and vice versa. So wouldn't this be a buffering factor? I like Mardoqueo's post about Aika, where they had types of population balance and power balances; without chopping any one Race's skills/abilities down.


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Post #10872
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it is certainly true that EP will dominate numbers, but since each world in pvp has equal numbers from each faction numbers wont be a factor, but EP have the more useful races too
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Post #10882
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(November 19th 2012 08:23 PM)Qallidex Wrote:  
(November 19th 2012 08:18 PM)Tecca Wrote:  
(November 19th 2012 08:04 PM)Qallidex Wrote:  I highly doubt it'll be THAT skewed, but I share your concerns... I estimate a worst case scenario to be 52-54% ebonheart.

That's a mighty fine statistic. Did you know that 64.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

An admin baiting a flame war, that's refreshing.

look whose talking...

ive mentioned time and time again. this is TES fans. the races of the EP will not be likekd by the general public, besides probably nord. And the zones wont be liked either. i expect a high influx on DC and another one for the Aldmeri due to furries and "sexy elves"
This post was last modified: November 20th 2012 10:37 AM by Sordak
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Post #10894
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(November 20th 2012 10:35 AM)Sordak Wrote:  
(November 19th 2012 08:23 PM)Qallidex Wrote:  
(November 19th 2012 08:18 PM)Tecca Wrote:  
(November 19th 2012 08:04 PM)Qallidex Wrote:  I highly doubt it'll be THAT skewed, but I share your concerns... I estimate a worst case scenario to be 52-54% ebonheart.

That's a mighty fine statistic. Did you know that 64.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

An admin baiting a flame war, that's refreshing.

look whose talking...

Someone who isn't an admin?
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Post #10906
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Aldmeri Dominion (Altmer)

Dom has the most useful races, all 3 are stealth.
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Post #11053
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I don't really think in Mega server the issue of balance will be that great, even if there will be huge population on EP, not all people will play pvp at same time, not to mention not all people will log at same time, worst case scenario, they hinted that in some campaigns you can make alliances, so i guess it will be AP + DF vs EP or any other combination. Lore vise or even "freedom" i hate the idea that some factions will get boosts just because of overpopulation. I don't see how can they transfer your main character from one side to another, will they make Face artist like in skyrime? How about the "land marks" that you get from phasing quests or quests progress etc, since each faction has different quest lines. Worst case scenario i see them find some way for you to make "alt" characters in other faction by offering a xp boost for skills or something as appealing, if you haw a main at EP.
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Post #11056
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This has been discussed before. Its too early to worry.


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