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Religion and the Pact


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It seems to me, that the Pakt is gonna be the most religious factions.

The Nord have their ancient animal worship and dragon priest

The Argonian worship to intelligent trees

And the Dunmer are even ruled by their on Nirn walking gods!

While Altmer only seek mundane might, and Breton money.

In a short "Reason of the factions video" was stated, that Almalexia will take a major role in the Pakt as well as in the Molag Bal story.

What do you think? Is the Pakt more "mystical" and religious than the other factions?

Woul that be a advantage?


Who controls the Septim crown?
Who keeps the Allesian Heresy down?
We do, we do

Who knocked Yokuda off the maps?
Who keeps the Dwemer under wraps?
We do, we do

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thats actually not true.

The nord havent parcticed Animal Worship for a LONG time.
that was the time of Ysgramor. Long ago. The Nords believe in the original Nordic Verison of the eight divines. Plus Shor who is the nordic aspect of the doom drum.

The Argonians dont *worship* "intelligent trees". The Argonians are created by the Hist, wich is just one kind of "tree" as an ignorant Cyrodiil would call it. In reality, the hist are a spacefaring race that was present when the ehlnofey were young. They might also come from a seperate Dimension as suggested by the lord of souls.
And while it is true that the Argonians bond to the hist is strong. It is not *worship* the Argonians stand in direct contact to the hist (by touching their roots)

The Dunmer do worship the triune. Thats true for one.

Wether or not the pact beeing more mystical. Definitly no. Probably the dunmer. But the Nord are simple people. Their Thu uhm might be strong. But it is not magic, and its divine origins are forgotten by all but the Greybeards.
The Argonians probably acknowledge the gods. But since they have a better concept of exact egg cracking, to them, there is no need in worshipping the gods.

The Altmer are actually alot more versed in the Divine practices. Their "Religious practice" is more ackin to ancestor worship, given the setting, this is justified. To them the Aedra are their "Ancestors" a state they want to reach again. They dont think of the gods as their "creators" or things like that. But as what they originaly were before lorkahn betrayed them.

On the Covenant you highly misunderstand their Values, so far we have not seen that many temples of the eight in any Province than High Rock. And while the conquest is not religiously oriented its Races tend to be highly religious.
To the Orcs, Malacath or Mauloch is not only a Religious figure, but also a warrior hero. Making him the ideal that ALL orcs have to aspire to. Lead a life like him. They regard him as god, daedric prince and ancestor alike (their aldmeri origins certainly play a part)
The Raga are actually very religious in a way that might be alien to Nedic and Atmoran men. No race known to the imperial scholars has as many gods as the Raga of old Yokuda. Not only do they have many major gods that seem to be simmilar to daedric princes and divines as we know, such as thuwacca but also do they worship various spirits, that can represent a great variety of things. Such as the Hoon Ding. or the spirit of move-like-this. They also have concepts for foreign god, like the Yoku name for the demon of the star woundet east who-is-twice-vekh Ansu-gurleht who is the "god-who-makes-us-women"
They also worship lesser known et'ada like ebonarm.
This post was last modified: January 23rd 2013 08:55 AM by Sordak
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hmm, your points seem fully right to me. I wasn´t sure about when the animal worship was abandoned. The Hist information was new for me.

So, there are RACES more inclined to mysticism and religions than others ;)

But https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHa-77cy3I Alliances at War video shows the "reasons" of the factions to fight for Cyrodiil, despite it´s economical worth:

1. Daggerfall: Humans have to rule Tamriel, the Empire can´t seize this task, so they must conquer it...and free trade and money of course

2. Aldmeri: Humans are weak, they are not worth ruling. So they are both pretty racist. And queen Ayreen searches personal revenge from the Tharns

3. Ebonheart: Almalexia got to know of Molag Bals plot to take over Nirn. The Pakt is out to save the world...and conquer it

But this makes only few sense. It was said, that the Pakt came together to protect the independence of Skyrim, Morrowind and Black Marsh. But after they drove out the Akaviri, each one of them could have defended it´s own borders easily against the Empire.

So why do they still word together? IMAO Almalexia persuaded the other faction´s leader to intervene in Cyrodiil to make sure Molag Bal can´t take Nirn. Maybe she was affraid of losing her Godhood in that process or being enslaved by Molag Bal for Eternity.

Of course they all could have waited for the Covenant and the Dominion to burn down the Empire. The Nords could have stayed in Skyrim, the Dunmer could have stayed in Morrowind and the Argonians in Black Marsh...So I say they are in for the conquering and for religious reason.
This post was last modified: January 23rd 2013 10:43 AM by Idriar


Who controls the Septim crown?
Who keeps the Allesian Heresy down?
We do, we do

Who knocked Yokuda off the maps?
Who keeps the Dwemer under wraps?
We do, we do

Post #25937
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The Eight Divines religion is already in Tamriel.

However, I do believe a lot of Nords will still (only) refer to Kyne, Shor, Tsun, Stuhn and such.


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I would call them more superstitious, then mystical
@Beor, ya i hope the nords stay with the nordic names.... imagine worshiping Alduin lol (it's a joke)

anyway my nord will worship Shor, and Kyne, since Talos isn't in the game
This post was last modified: January 26th 2013 11:51 AM by cadian13


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thats not religious reasons. They conquer because they want to stop molag bal. In case of the nords, they kind of like conquering.

worshipping alduin? now thats been a while back.
Why would you worship what will eat the world? that doesnt sound reasonable.

And alduin said HO HA HO!
This post was last modified: January 23rd 2013 11:01 AM by Sordak
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(January 23rd 2013 10:58 AM)cadian13 Wrote:  I would call them more superstitious, then mystical
@Beor, ya i hope the nords stoy with the nordic names.... imagine worshiping Alduin lol

Why not worship someone who wants to destroy the world? Merunes Dagon tried for some scale the same back in Oblivion. But that wouldn´t have been possible without devoutet worshippers and cultists ;)

Evil pays better


Who controls the Septim crown?
Who keeps the Allesian Heresy down?
We do, we do

Who knocked Yokuda off the maps?
Who keeps the Dwemer under wraps?
We do, we do

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There is a difference between beeing a cultist (thats been promised a heaven) and a major race (that gets promised the end of the world and the devouring of their greatest heroes in sovengarde)

The Dragon cult is long forgotten in the second era.
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(January 23rd 2013 08:48 AM)Sordak Wrote:  (...) of Ysgramor. Long ago. The Nords believe in the original Nordic Verison of the Eight Divines. (...)

And you tell me that I'm an ignorant. They've stopped "worshipping" animals with the death of Talos of Atmora ( Ysgramor, Tiber Septim, whatever...), when he ascended as a new Divine, and formed the Eight and One, later called nine.
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(March 4th 2013 10:40 AM)Xer Wrote:  
(January 23rd 2013 08:48 AM)Sordak Wrote:  (...) of Ysgramor. Long ago. The Nords believe in the original Nordic Verison of the Eight Divines. (...)

And you tell me that I'm an ignorant. They've stopped "worshipping" animals with the death of Talos of Atmora ( Ysgramor, Tiber Septim, whatever...), when he ascended as a new Divine, and formed the Eight and One, later called nine.

oh yes and you got any sources for that? considering that the original alessian divines were an incorporation of nordic gods such as kyne with the ayleyd pantheon?

Because i can tell you the nord in the second era do not worship an animal pantheon.
So yes i do call you ignorant.
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(March 4th 2013 10:42 AM)Sordak Wrote:  
(March 4th 2013 10:40 AM)Xer Wrote:  
(January 23rd 2013 08:48 AM)Sordak Wrote:  (...) of Ysgramor. Long ago. The Nords believe in the original Nordic Verison of the Eight Divines. (...)

And you tell me that I'm an ignorant. They've stopped "worshipping" animals with the death of Talos of Atmora ( Ysgramor, Tiber Septim, whatever...), when he ascended as a new Divine, and formed the Eight and One, later called nine.

oh yes and you got any sources for that? considering that the original alessian divines were an incorporation of nordic gods such as kyne with the ayleyd pantheon?

Because i can tell you the nord in the second era do not worship an animal pantheon.
So yes i do call you ignorant.

And you believe that I don't know that?
You can also say that you don' t have any sources for the Daedra Princes or the Divines himself. You don't have the sources of nothing, just digital damn books in the games and the explenations that the creators, story writters and developers say.
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(March 4th 2013 10:46 AM)Xer Wrote:  look at me look at me.

Good that you make yourself irrelevant.
its what youve been all along.
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I doubt this thread was made to bicker about who knows what. Both of you, stop fighting before someone either locks this thread or one of you gets reported.
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(March 4th 2013 09:29 PM)ClickCrisis Wrote:  I doubt this thread was made to bicker about who knows what. Both of you, stop fighting before someone either locks this thread or one of you gets reported.

stick to your own business.
I have made my mark on Pact religion already.
But i wish to be able to defend my point without someone claiming im derailing the thread.

that is none of your business. at best its mod business.
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It is quite my business: I'd rather have a working faction, not a rambling, fighting one. And if you want it to be a Mod's business, then I will make it so. I was trying to resolve the dispuit before it got there.




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