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I've read dozens of critic reviews and user reviews from several places and the reviews sound mediocre at best but I watch YouTube videos and to me it looks amazing.

Is this game Heading for a FTP future or is it a seed that will blossom into a nice pretty flower in 6 months time? I,m currently on the fence on this game to get it on the ps4 when it is released.

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I would say it's a great game!
Not because it does something new or radical but because it uses the good old mmorpg formula but includes some of the best writing and rich history I've ever seen in any mmo.

Might be a bit biased to this game since I do love TES and it's story so I recommend taking this post with atleast some grains of salt.


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the critical review of the game has been overwhelmingly negative. famous youtube personailities such as Angry Joe and Frances have land blasted the game and unfortunately their opinion carries a lot of sway.

personally i love the game, it has its faults but its hands down the best mmorpg ive ever played. i personally give it an 8.2/10

but i undertand and even agree with some ofthe criticism. its well founded especially when Angry Joe is providing in game footage to back up his claims.

with that being said and as much as i love this game and with WildStar and Archeage on the horizon - its F2P within a year unless something significant happens


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Let's just say it is a good thing I'm a TES fan because I really don't buy games with a metacritic review less then 85. ESO metacritic review is only 75 if it had been any other game I would not even give it a second glance. That said I am having a blast in game but the reason I like it is because it isn't WOW rip off. I really didn't like how WOW was set up. Classes were too rigid and so are the veteran players. My sister is a long time veteran WOW player (still is actually) so I do say this with love but still it drove me nuts how everything had to be a certain way and spell rotations had to be certain way to maximize damage, etc; personal preference I don't necessarily think WOW's way is terrible just not to my taste.

ESO I feel free to experiment with builds. Shoot, I even ran into an Altmer female in game same height, hair color & hair style plus body type and yet we both had easily distinguishable facial characteristics to make us look like different people which was totally cool. In WOW I could never tell who was who just on sight because all those WOW toons looked so much alike. I also hated leveling to 20 in WOW because the free to play until level 20 meant that a bunch of little kids were running around in the zones chasing you and trying to constantly duel with you. Drove me bonkers, my gaming is my adult time away from my kiddo. I don't want to play Mommy to someone else in game; I already a Mommy in real life. Also, in ESO I honestly don't care if I ever get to end game content because leveling is such a blast.
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(April 24th 2014 05:55 PM)Rickter Wrote:  the critical review of the game has been overwhelmingly negative. famous youtube personailities such as Angry Joe and Frances have land blasted the game and unfortunately their opinion carries a lot of sway.

personally i love the game, it has its faults but its hands down the best mmorpg ive ever played. i personally give it an 8.2/10

but i undertand and even agree with some ofthe criticism. its well founded especially when Angry Joe is providing in game footage to back up his claims.

with that being said and as much as i love this game and with WildStar and Archeage on the horizon - its F2P within a year unless something significant happens
Frances bashed it, boogie2988 the one who plays frances, actually defended eso.
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(April 25th 2014 04:17 AM)Maiqtheliar Wrote:  
(April 24th 2014 05:55 PM)Rickter Wrote:  the critical review of the game has been overwhelmingly negative. famous youtube personailities such as Angry Joe and Frances have land blasted the game and unfortunately their opinion carries a lot of sway.

personally i love the game, it has its faults but its hands down the best mmorpg ive ever played. i personally give it an 8.2/10

but i undertand and even agree with some ofthe criticism. its well founded especially when Angry Joe is providing in game footage to back up his claims.

with that being said and as much as i love this game and with WildStar and Archeage on the horizon - its F2P within a year unless something significant happens
Frances bashed it, boogie2988 the one who plays frances, actually defended eso.

I really don't get all the commotion.
It's indeed not the greatest creation since WoW or Everquest but it's a very good game that does certain things in it's own unique style.

It's a very solid mmorpg and with todays market, that's a rather rare thing.


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(April 24th 2014 04:28 PM)Toptom Wrote:  I've read dozens of critic reviews and user reviews from several places and the reviews sound mediocre at best but I watch YouTube videos and to me it looks amazing.

Is this game Heading for a FTP future or is it a seed that will blossom into a nice pretty flower in 6 months time? I,m currently on the fence on this game to get it on the ps4 when it is released.

Discuss..


Let me see.


The game is superb and the opinion of those bashing it without having actually having played is irrelevant.

Same goes for those reviewers who open their statement "played 10 hours". The game opens after level 10 for heaven sake (hence they ommit crafting & cyrodiil)
Or write "cartoon graphics" (bit-tech) or "dated 10y old graphics" telegraph.
Which the later had screenshots from vanilla Oblivion (and everyone pointed it out) and bit-tech from low-medium settings. (set it on Ultra and compare it with the Ultra graphic set from WoW for example).


Also it CANNOT go F2P because is multiplatform. MS has a policy when comes to Xbox Live games. Subs only, while Sony is more free, but still in favour of pay to play model (sub).

Good example Dust 514. Didn't launch on Xbox because MS didn't like the F2P+cash shop. On PS3, didn't took off as expected even if it was F2P with Cash shop.

So it will be riculous to have F2P PC version (that none of the current player base likes, including myself), and P2P on Xbox and PS4.


Closing. The game is not for the "masses". Is not a WoW clone. And as with any other niche game, it will not go F2P. (see EVE, DAOC, DF to name a few).

If you played DAOC, WHOL, SWG or Aoc (initial release), then TESO is for you.

If you want the next WoW clone, go play Wildstar.
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(April 25th 2014 04:53 AM)Apoll Wrote:  
(April 24th 2014 04:28 PM)Toptom Wrote:  I've read dozens of critic reviews and user reviews from several places and the reviews sound mediocre at best but I watch YouTube videos and to me it looks amazing.

Is this game Heading for a FTP future or is it a seed that will blossom into a nice pretty flower in 6 months time? I,m currently on the fence on this game to get it on the ps4 when it is released.

Discuss..


Let me see.


The game is superb and the opinion of those bashing it without having actually having played is irrelevant.

Same goes for those reviewers who open their statement "played 10 hours". The game opens after level 10 for heaven sake (hence they ommit crafting & cyrodiil)
Or write "cartoon graphics" (bit-tech) or "dated 10y old graphics" telegraph.
Which the later had screenshots from vanilla Oblivion (and everyone pointed it out) and bit-tech from low-medium settings. (set it on Ultra and compare it with the Ultra graphic set from WoW for example).


Also it CANNOT go F2P because is multiplatform. MS has a policy when comes to Xbox Live games. Subs only, while Sony is more free, but still in favour of pay to play model (sub).

Good example Dust 514. Didn't launch on Xbox because MS didn't like the F2P+cash shop. On PS3, didn't took off as expected even if it was F2P with Cash shop.

So it will be riculous to have F2P PC version (that none of the current player base likes, including myself), and P2P on Xbox and PS4.


Closing. The game is not for the "masses". Is not a WoW clone. And as with any other niche game, it will not go F2P. (see EVE, DAOC, DF to name a few).

If you played DAOC, WHOL, SWG or Aoc (initial release), then TESO is for you.

If you want the next WoW clone, go play Wildstar.
I'm sorry, what? Defiance is F2P and it's on Xbox 360.. I don't know where you're getting your information that Xbox only has P2P MMO's. Not that Defiance is anything to be excited about, it's still available.
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The "critic" reviews are SERIOUSLY flawed - when it comes to ESO. How do you think they managed to review it in such a short time? And how do they review for different play styles, that produce vastly different play experiences in ESO? I am talking about:
A. PvP Cyrodiil
B. PvE solo
C. PvE group
1. Run-and-gun
2. RP
3. Crafters
4. Explorers
5. Ppl who "do it all" (as the game is meant to be played IMHO)

So you get 15 basic gameplay styles out of ESO, and so a real "review" should give a rating for EACH of these 15 gameplay styles. And any particular reviewer will have a preferred play style, and thus a subjective opinion, unfavorable to the other play styles if he even tried them. How do you know he got ALL the available skyshards on his maps? The game is terribly difficult if you don't, and there are other things like this he might be missing as well. And since 10 of these styles take WEEKS to achieve >Lv15 status (game takes on different enhancements at ~Lv15, like swapping weapons in combat), a true review isn't possible at this time IMO! So quit listening to the fraudulent and "all-knowing" (LOL) reviews and try it for yourself. That is the only way at this time to really find out, unless you find a reviewer whom you know to "do it your way."
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Crappy satellite Internet very laggy pings 700-1000 not god for gaming, can't play most online games but ESO works good enough.
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Could bad reviews really send this game into a death spiral? I hope not because I am enjoying this game a great deal and look forward to doing everything and seeing the eso world grow and keep on adventuring in tamriel and beyond. I can't review this game with any kind of objectivity because eso is the only mmo I've ever played. But I can compare it to other single player rpg video games and for me it is as fun or funner than all my top games. This is fun for me and I hope the negative hype is just hot air and does not keep eso from growing and flourishing.

The core criterion for a game should be it's ability to entertain. The main objective of reviewers is not to make fair or informative reviews but to keep their audience entertained. It's easy to lose objectivity when amusement is the reviewer's goal.
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Personally I still have not gotten ESO as a lot of my time in beta was underwhelming and disappointing. This is partially because while voice acting is cool I am tired of the your the hero you save the world story in mmos as it is a little bland and overused and it is a story that just does not fit in a game where millions of people are intended to play cooperatively for each of you to be the individual hero of everything so that is a pet peeve. Beyond on that the combat was an issue with me the action bar could use a few more slots five is a little small and the combat did not feel as heavy or as weighted as it should. In the end most of these things including when I played PvP it being no more than an unbalanced zerg kept me from getting it.

Now looking at the improvements made in the last week before the game relaesed all the towns being added to PvP and such and classes being balanced and the strong focus on community I think they released about 3 months early, but they have a product with great potential. The fact is games like EVE online can only have 500 thousand subscribers which is what they have relatively small compared to other mmos numbers, but it is still a subscription based mmo cause those 500k people are deathly loyal and buy every expansion play every day and pay every month for that game for the world they have built. ESO has that potential with both hardcore DAOC players coming to it and ES fans which are both very loyal fan bases it has the potential to have people who even if the numbers dwindle from 2 million to 500 thousand those 500 thousand will keep it afloat and pay every month and make sure the game stays above the water. Because of that I highly doubt this game is every going free to play though I think there is potential of them added a cash shop for cosmetics.


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(April 25th 2014 10:55 AM)MaxxRocker Wrote:  Personally I still have not gotten ESO as a lot of my time in beta was underwhelming and disappointing. This is partially because while voice acting is cool I am tired of the your the hero you save the world story in mmos as it is a little bland and overused and it is a story that just does not fit in a game where millions of people are intended to play cooperatively for each of you to be the individual hero of everything so that is a pet peeve. Beyond on that the combat was an issue with me the action bar could use a few more slots five is a little small and the combat did not feel as heavy or as weighted as it should. In the end most of these things including when I played PvP it being no more than an unbalanced zerg kept me from getting it.

Now looking at the improvements made in the last week before the game relaesed all the towns being added to PvP and such and classes being balanced and the strong focus on community I think they released about 3 months early, but they have a product with great potential. The fact is games like EVE online can only have 500 thousand subscribers which is what they have relatively small compared to other mmos numbers, but it is still a subscription based mmo cause those 500k people are deathly loyal and buy every expansion play every day and pay every month for that game for the world they have built. ESO has that potential with both hardcore DAOC players coming to it and ES fans which are both very loyal fan bases it has the potential to have people who even if the numbers dwindle from 2 million to 500 thousand those 500 thousand will keep it afloat and pay every month and make sure the game stays above the water. Because of that I highly doubt this game is every going free to play though I think there is potential of them added a cash shop for cosmetics.

While this will sound like an attack please not that I do not mean it in that way what so ever also this is just my personal opinion and a question mixed in.

When alot of you say the combat is not "weighty enough" or its to "floaty" what exactly are you referring to? Because if we compare it to every other MMO on the market pressing 1 to activate an ability or better yet auto attack that you do not control nor feel in any way then this combat would in fact be the "weightiest" combat ever made for an mmo would it not?

Thats just something I have noticed thats been repeated constantly from the mind numbing masses listening to reviews then spitting the same sentence out the reviewer wrote down.

This of course may not be the case with you as you are entitled to your opinion and possibly formed that one on your own. I am however just curious by what that even means as in my experience having to dynamically dodge because I have blocked for to long and cant roll or block again is to me the best type of combat mixed with one of the most entertaining class and character development games.

The ONLY thing I wish was that the game already had a cash shop for cosmetics only it appears they did some of that with the horse so they have an Idea however the horse is overpriced and underwhelming and you cant even choose its color so until they start offering dying system or unique things such as the EXPLORERS PACK PLEASE! I will refrain from hoping to much for neat ways to support the game and have fun with my chars.
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Don't think it' will become a FTP, but I cancel my sub fee, as I feel the game needs so much more work imo.
I see same ol bugs from Beta weekend that is not yet fixed, I know it's a new game with "childsickness" but it's old bugs not yet fixed.

Still I have a bit more expectation of a game I pay for and also pay sub fee for, even a free to play game as Nevewinter had less bugs and run smooth from launch, yea small hickups at launch but otherwise I had no problem with NW and no bugs.

I get travelsickness when I play TESO, not sure it's patch they put in before way back to make the combat more real, anyway it sux.
Think I will let the game rest for 6 months or so, and hope they have fix this ol annoying bugs so the game feel fun to play.
It was ok with the bugs during Beta as it was a Beta.

And btw I don't if I missed it or not.. it was said with the MEGA servers we was going to be able to choose more of where to play. Like fit out age, playstyle, Roleplay etc. I never saw when I made a character one had thouse options. Was I blind or is it not yet a choise one can make?

Peace and have fun out there
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Oh no worries man I get your point for sure and there really isn't many mmos with action combat I only say floaty or not weighty due to the fact that when compared to the ES franchise which this is part of whether it likes it or not the combat is underwhelming which is a shame cause to be honest even ES combat isn't that great so the fact they couldn't at least get closer to that is what bothers me lol. Mainly I would say you can notice it in two handed weapons or bows where there is very little reaction from your character or the character attacked from the impact would be the definition of what I am talking about.

My opinion was formed from playing the beta since the third beta weekend and playing up until about the last five where I just got tired of the game a bit and PvP was what I wanted to play and see the most and it just did nothing for me it was very bland and very much filled with people doing nothing but bum rushing and I just stopped playing beta after that. I do agree that blocking and dodging are well done again though it is that lack of impact sometimes that is bothersome that is really all and that is more an appearance thing than anything else.

As for a cash shop I understand why you would hope for that, but I think you may regret that down the line they will always sneak things in there they shouldn't and the longer the game can go without a cash shop for cosmetics or otherwise the better it will be for it. The horse is over priced from everything I have seen in fact in beta I thought the price was a place holder or a joke however it was not. This may because the maps are actually relatively small and honestly a little underwhelming and restricted and that they don't want people to realize that so they make horses cost so much so that when you get when you are either in cyrodil which is big or other later zones which are greater in size.

As for dyes I actually agree with not having that stuff in the game I am sorry, but I just don't feel like having someone in some pink steel armor with a bright orange helmet and shit like that I may not be playing the game, but I feel like as far as the ES fan base goes that would be pretty annoying for a lot of them to do that kind of thing.

@Quinoa also made some great points the bugs and other such things have been a real problem and also there are certain features and things that were subtracted with little or no notice about them and so far it seems to be a trend with Zenimax.
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Just to be clear I don't NOT like Free to play games and their Cash shops.. just hate it.

And I'm a big fan of TESO during the 4 Beta weekends I tryed out the game, but it was Beta and one accepted the bugs then.
I just hope they had fixed the game a bit more before launched and remove that shakey screen thingie to make combat more realistic, as some of us can't take it as it cause travel sickness.


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