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The obligatory CHIM thread.


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Post #3662
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And one simple question: CHIM + TESO = What?

(Also if you're unfamiliar with CHIM: http://fallingawkwardly.wordpress.com/20...nd-part-3/ )
This post was last modified: October 22nd 2012 09:27 PM by Tecca
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Post #3678
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404: Page Not Found (CHIM's link)?


The Elsweyr Confederacy

My motto: "Don't look for the next opportunity. The one you have in hand, is the opportunity."
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Link fixed.


Please use the Help & Feedback section if you need help. This will help others that may have the same questions and you will receive a faster response.
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Ah yah, this one. TESO added all lores from all TES games, and the unknown lores too, so it would be fun to find out how books or informations or add rare/epic quests to do with us :)


The Elsweyr Confederacy

My motto: "Don't look for the next opportunity. The one you have in hand, is the opportunity."
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well... there will be far more lords.

i dont think this has any impact on CHIM itself tho.
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It'd just be amusing to see how it's considered (If at all) when TECHNICALLY it will allow /whispers and global chats and stuff, in a very strange and bizzare way.
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think of it this way. its not your character doing it. Same as its not your character who is reloading the game, and pausing, and checking the wiki...

there is actually an explanation in the lore
This post was last modified: October 23rd 2012 08:42 AM by Sordak
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CHIM makes my head hurt xD




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You can say that again...


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its realy not too hard.
while im not good at explaining stuff ill try my best.

Basically its that you realize everything is just a dream of an entity, in this case the godhead. By this you realize, since you are the godhead (as he is the entity that dreams everything, therfor everything is him, just not knowing it), everything is, by a larger extent, you, and part of the dream.
Simmilar how you would realize that you are in a lucid dream. wether or not you achieved chim by realizing this is by a simple question, can you refer to yourself as "i"
if you can, seeing yourself both as a part of this world and as the world as a whole, you can alter "reality" like you can with a lucid dream.

Someone summed it up quite niceley in the following sentance: I am the Godhead, therfore the Godhead is me.
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Only thing I would add to Sordak's explanation, is that it's not as simple to achieve as it would seem. In fact, generally, one's mind cannot support the duality of "I exist" and "I do not exist" and therefore the individual zero sums (1 + -1 = 0) or ceases to exist.
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This is something I know very little of, so pardon me if an explanation exists, but is there a reason why the villains - from mortals to higher ones - of ES can't use CHIM to (succesfully) transform the world to their liking?
This post was last modified: October 28th 2012 10:28 AM by Hentmereb
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because they have not acuired it? or more to the point: its all in the perspective. According to the Aldmeri Dominion, talos is quite the villain. And he did use his CHIM for quite a bit. The same can be said about Vivec who is a villain according to pretty much everyone in universe.
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(October 28th 2012 10:48 AM)Sordak Wrote:  because they have not acuired it? or more to the point: its all in the perspective. According to the Aldmeri Dominion, talos is quite the villain. And he did use his CHIM for quite a bit. The same can be said about Vivec who is a villain according to pretty much everyone in universe.

Ok, thank you. With villains I thought individuals that would be seen as more common threats, but... as Tiber Septim changed Cyrodiil through it, couldn't he have just made himself the emperor with it too in the first place?
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the question is: if he did so. would you know? And by a larger extent care? He could have also made himself into the heroic figure he is. We dont know thats true. But is it of importance? For example his methods were (in his own rigth) as noble as they were, probably he made them as noble as they were, but that does not change the matter of it in itself.

We do not know. we also dont know how many things are lies anyway. Vivec is quite fond of this. Also keep in mind that besides achieving CHIM vivec still used the heart of lorkahn.

When it comes to villains: well see. If you have CHIM. would you want to be regardet as a villain? Probably not. Vekh the murderer, Vivec the God. Its a matter of perception and lies spread through achieving CHIM. CHIM is always a self delusion. But since everyone is the Godhead. You are also deluding everyone else (as everyone is one, who is the godhead, who is vivec)

Also one could say that Mannimarco might have achieved CHIM. or he just used the mantella for kicks. We dont know.

Oh yeah also one of my favorite theories is that CHIM is MKs excuse for having too much vivec in the world.
Basically it all makes sense. Vivec gained self awareness, sorta. He always had it. Imagine a Character in your mind, imagine life from his point of view, in this you give him sentience (because he is, by an extention, you. He is part of you)
So basically MK grew a bit too attached to Vivec, since he was both his favorite char and also one of his alter egos. So he just said Ok. vivec did get self awareness in my mind (wich is not a false statement) and therfor, vivec himself (MKs love for vivec) changed the story in his mind to be part of it. Yet keeping the story intact (the love of the story is a common theme that vivec mentions himself)
Of course many lore buffs would beat me over the head with a large edible fish for this assesment. probably. But i like this explanation the best. because i can sorta relate to it.
This post was last modified: October 28th 2012 02:53 PM by Sordak
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