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I doubt it. The Neravarine won't be coming back; nor the Eternal Champion, the Hero of Daggerfall, the Champion of Cyrodiil or the Dragonborn. But i suspect that a new Dunmer leader will rise, if only to kill Argonians. He'll be hailed as a hero: The General who gave the Dunmer back Morrowind. Then the Dunmer will declare war on Argonia, for vengeance. The Argonians will ask the Thalmor for help, the Dunmer will ask the Empire.


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(December 24th 2012 11:38 AM)Iogairn Wrote:  I doubt it. The Neravarine won't be coming back; nor the Eternal Champion, the Hero of Daggerfall, the Champion of Cyrodiil or the Dragonborn. But i suspect that a new Dunmer leader will rise, if only to kill Argonians. He'll be hailed as a hero: The General who gave the Dunmer back Morrowind. Then the Dunmer will declare war on Argonia, for vengeance. The Argonians will ask the Thalmor for help, the Dunmer will ask the Empire.

Yeah, true points.

But the logic of events is pretty solid. It sets the stage for conflict in southern Morrowind and central to northern Black Marsh.

Perhaps the next great evil could come from the Marsh.

Man, what a game that would be. Players would follow the storyline, infiltrating elements of Argonian/Thalmor leadership, looking for clues as to the origin of this new evil. The war could be a side faction questline -- much like the civil war is in Skyrim.


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Maybe if they grew massive and learned to fly and breathe fire! Then the great evil would be giant, flying lizards who can breathe fire. Actually no we've had that...


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(December 24th 2012 11:55 AM)Iogairn Wrote:  Maybe if they grew massive and learned to fly and breathe fire! Then the great evil would be giant, flying lizards who can breathe fire. Actually no we've had that...

Funny man.

I'm thinking something native to Black Marsh, perhaps some sort of corruption of the Hist. Maybe tied to something Daedric even.


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That would be good. Maybe the Hist is telling all Argonians to do something dastardly. Like zombies. Obviously if you were an Argonian then that could prove to be a problem but Im sure Bethesda can get find a loophole.

However, Back to the Second War. I'm suspecting the Argonians will have a vital role to play, good or evil. My suspicion is evil because the An-Xileel are a lot like the Thalmor. I suspect the whole point of TESO is to see where to base the next ES. My guess is either Black Marsh or Alinor. I think Alinor is more likely because Black Marsh is just a... black marsh. Where as they can go more Morrowind with Alinor as its never really been described. Only time will tell...


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(December 24th 2012 12:15 PM)Iogairn Wrote:  That would be good. Maybe the Hist is telling all Argonians to do something dastardly. Like zombies. Obviously if you were an Argonian then that could prove to be a problem but Im sure Bethesda can get find a loophole.

However, Back to the Second War. I'm suspecting the Argonians will have a vital role to play, good or evil. My suspicion is evil because the An-Xileel are a lot like the Thalmor. I suspect the whole point of TESO is to see where to base the next ES. My guess is either Black Marsh or Alinor. I think Alinor is more likely because Black Marsh is just a... black marsh. Where as they can go more Morrowind with Alinor as its never really been described. Only time will tell...

Indeed. I'd be happy with either or, as they both have central roles in current events. The Marsh will certainly play a large role in a proxy conflict between the Dominion and Empire.

But, I'd be partial to seeing the Marsh as much of it is shrouded in mystery due to either pure intention or the sheer toxicity of it to non-Argonians. The really cool sounding tree cities would be a sight to see, IMO. Not to mention seeing/fighting shadowscales would be epic.


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(December 24th 2012 11:38 AM)Iogairn Wrote:  I doubt it. The Neravarine won't be coming back; nor the Eternal Champion, the Hero of Daggerfall, the Champion of Cyrodiil or the Dragonborn. But i suspect that a new Dunmer leader will rise, if only to kill Argonians. He'll be hailed as a hero: The General who gave the Dunmer back Morrowind. Then the Dunmer will declare war on Argonia, for vengeance. The Argonians will ask the Thalmor for help, the Dunmer will ask the Empire.

Wrong era for TESO as the Argonians are allies at this point. Maybe you are talking about another game? Certainly the Saxhleel have now got revenge for eons of slavery, decimation of their sacred groves & probably hold equal political kudos as the Dark Elves. It is a shaky pact but now the 2nd Great War is on a bigger scale the "chess pieces" have changed.
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(December 24th 2012 12:41 PM)Endemondia Wrote:  
(December 24th 2012 11:38 AM)Iogairn Wrote:  I doubt it. The Neravarine won't be coming back; nor the Eternal Champion, the Hero of Daggerfall, the Champion of Cyrodiil or the Dragonborn. But i suspect that a new Dunmer leader will rise, if only to kill Argonians. He'll be hailed as a hero: The General who gave the Dunmer back Morrowind. Then the Dunmer will declare war on Argonia, for vengeance. The Argonians will ask the Thalmor for help, the Dunmer will ask the Empire.

Wrong era for TESO as the Argonians are allies at this point. Maybe you are talking about another game?

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(December 23rd 2012 11:44 AM)Reichmar12 Wrote:  First off, the Stormcloaks lose the rebellion. The combined forces of western Skyrim plus the Legion put down the rebellion and the Empire consolidates its efforts around rebuilding its ranks. Following the events of TESV, the Blades arise again and take their place behind the Emperor. This time, they are fully aware of the dangers the Thalmor pose and take their revenge on Thalmor inquisitors and intelligence operatives (they will, everyone can agree on that).

With Skyrim under control and now able to focus on contributing to the Imperial efforts at rebuilding and arming, the bulk of the work now lies in the other provinces. With respect to Hammerfell I belive that, despite the public perception of the Empire's abandonment of Hammerfell, there are imperial agents working with the Redguard nobility behind the scenes to keep relations active and ironed out. This will likely necessitate more Imperial leniency towards allowing local customs in return for Redguard trust. Furthermore, it can be asserted that the Redguards really hate the Thalmor, and vice-versa. The Dominion will likely attempt to seize control of Hammerfell to keep Imperial supplies from moving south from High Rock and Skyrim to Redguard resistance forces. The Empire will likely march into Hammerfell to fight "alongside" the rebelling noble houses against the Thalmor. We know from (The Redguard Woman) that the resistence is alive and well in Hammerfell. When war is declared, Hammerfell will erupt in conflict. Redguard v Thalmor, Imperial v Thalmor, Redguard+Imperial v Thalmor.

The Dunmer are in an interesting position. Many fled Vvardenfell following the eruption of Red Mountain, as well as from southern Morrowind following the Argonian incursion. I believe that they will return to Morrowind as a motivated and pissed off people. They will also have new friends in Skyrim, as the new Jarl of Windhelm is friendly to Dark Elves and vowed to elevate relations between both races. Indeed, Brunwulf Free-Winter might play quite a pivotal role in forging an alliance between Dunmer and Nord -- he likes the Dunmer, and the Dunmer view him as a war-hero. Combining his reputation with his leadership as Jarl puts him as a pivotal figure in political relations between the two peoples. Will he serve as an ambassador? Allied commander? The High-Queen's intermediary? What position will the Nords take on the Argonian incursion?

I forsee the Dunmer rebuilding ravaged parts of Morrowind and reestablishing deep trade ties with Skyrim. I think they'll put a heavy emphasis on repopulating the lands too -- perhaps a baby boomer generation of Dunmer. As a result, the Empire will undoubtedly seek to take advantage of this opportunity by offering generous assistance to the Dunmer in return for their cooperation in the war. The Dunmer, who in their push for rebuilding their society also reinvigorated efforts directed at reviving old cultural practices and beliefs (such as ancestor necromancy), will demand that the Empire respect their right to practice their ancient rites. The Empire will agree, needing all the help they can get.

Argonians and Bretons when I have more time to write.


Surely the eruption of the Red Mountain happened in 4E 6? The eruption of the Red Mountain caused a chain of events kills thousands and remembered as the Red Year.

In Second Seed, shortly after the cataclysmic eruption of Red Mountain, the crippled Morrowind is invaded by an army of Argonians urged on by the Hist. The nation of Morrowind colapses, and the survivors of the cataclysm and the war flee to the island of Solstheim. The Argonian invasion reaches at least as far north as Red Mountain. Once they hold the province, they make no effort to colonize or rule.

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Thanks for the lore contribution. I'll look up that book.

The Dunmer have much more than an ice cube island to work with then -- making reconstruction efforts quite a bit easier. Having territory that borders Skyrim by land also gives them some extra economic clout as well.
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Again, hate to be the bearer of bad news....you're 248 years ahead of TESO

In 2E 830 The heirs of Camoran Dynasty of Valenwood begin to fight over the Valenwood throne. The Altmer of Summerset Isle intervenes and help Camoran Anaxemes (one of the heirs). The Altmer establishes Thalmor, a provisional government on behalf of Camoran Anaxemes. The Aldmeri Dominion is formed, and consists of Summerset Isle and Valenwood.
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(December 24th 2012 01:02 PM)Fieryra Andalen Wrote:  Again, hate to be the bearer of bad news....you're 248 years ahead of TESO

In 2E 830 The heirs of Camoran Dynasty of Valenwood begin to fight over the Valenwood throne. The Altmer of Summerset Isle intervenes and help Camoran Anaxemes (one of the heirs). The Altmer establishes Thalmor, a provisional government on behalf of Camoran Anaxemes. The Aldmeri Dominion is formed, and consists of Summerset Isle and Valenwood.

That was my fault, I misread the date.

Still, a built-up Solstheim serves as a good base for Dunmer operations. It's rich in ore and isolated. My plans for the Dunmer reconquest of [most of] Morrowind still stand :-)


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(December 24th 2012 11:17 AM)Fhynrood Wrote:  
(December 24th 2012 04:54 AM)Ulfgar the Fearless Wrote:  
(December 23rd 2012 10:53 PM)Fhynrood Wrote:  Dont forget Blacklight as one of the main Dunmer holdings.
And I also hope for a Dunmer strike back at some point.
It is of my thinking that in those times of crisis, time for great leaders is to emerge.
Perhaps a new hortator? I dont know but I dont loose the hope. Not everything is lost yet.
Perhaps the Nerevarine will return from the Akaviri continent or maybe a new Nerevarine shall rise,and lead his people to their destiny.

Maybe. But I dont think a new Nerevarine will rise, because the prophecy was about the return of Nerevar to destroy the link of the heart, thus defeat Dagoth Ur and the Tribunal.
But as we know, if he was not killed in Akavir, he is inmortal for age or sickness. So he can make a come back, and lead the Dunmer to a new age.
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Im more of the thinking of the coming of a new hero.
It also can be a good topic for TES VI, Argonia
As it would be a nice quest to be in the middle of a great frontier war between argonians and dunmer.
And that it let you to choose the side!!! :D
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I just thought of something. What if the Stormcloaks win? Would they declare war on the Empire now they are free? It's not like they need to attack the Empire, it's the Thalmor they want to get at. But if they do, would the Thalmor help them? Yes it would put down a force that could oppose them, but if they just let it damage the Empire then whoever won would be weakened, leaving more territories open to Thalmor invasion.
And vice versa. If the Stormcloaks attack the Thalmor would the Empire help them? Or would they help the Stormcloaks?

But I think it will come down to the Argonians. What we saw in the novels and Skyrim is that the An-Xileel are growing in power and are somewhat 'evil'. As in making an alliance with a crazy soul-stealing city 'evil'. Either that or ambitious. After all, Argonians aren't exactly imperialistic and were never wanting to expand their territories. Until the An-Xileel came into power. Then they took Morrowind easily (due to the maybe somehow linked eruption) and, within a few years, became one of the greatest powers in Tamriel due to the Great War.


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