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All things Argonian!


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Since the Argonians are the best race in all of Tamriel I want to start this topic for all argonian lovers to compile all their knowledge and experience of argonians and for everyone to share their thoughts hopes and ideas about argonians in TESO! I want this to be for everyone so I'd like RP'ers, PVP'ers , questers and lore geniuses to join in and share their ideas for how you hope the race to be portrayed in TESO and maybe even go as far as to suggest the possibilities for TES 6 if it was set in Black Marsh. I've noticed a lot of argonian fans so I really hope this topic takes off and becomes something great to look at. Remember to not be horrible to eachother as this should be a place for gamers to discuss things in a friendly environment, have fun!


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There is too much to discuss.
Primarily the stupid portrayal right now.

also now. TES 6 happening inside argonia would he weird.
the most logical candidate would be Hammerfell, beeing human, fighting the thalmor and independant from the empire.
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(April 24th 2013, 01:49 PM)Sordak Wrote: There is too much to discuss.
Primarily the stupid portrayal right now.

also now. TES 6 happening inside argonia would he weird.
the most logical candidate would be Hammerfell, beeing human, fighting the thalmor and independant from the empire.

Just discuss one part then, you don't have to discuss everything that was suggested. and in regards to TES 6 it's what would the setting of black marsh bring to the table that's new and fun and if you don't think there's anything just explain why you think that because there are multiple sides and opinions to have in this topic.


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Well see.
Bethesda wants to make money. Thats why people make games.
Black marsh is too weird to set a game there.
Why? Cause bareley any non argonian can live there.

Would you think they would make a game where 90% of all the NPCs are lizard people?
Not to mention that Black Marsh itself, beeing extremeley dense, would be tanking framerate on alot of PCs.
Also note that the position black marsh is in right now does not lend itself to a TES game.

The only idea of a working game i could have was one thats beeing set between southern morrowind and northern blackmarsh.

Hammerfell on the other hand is quite different from skyrim (after oblivion and skyrim making a game in high rock would be silly) yet not something that kills PCs left and right. There are plenty of reasons for all races to be there and the main population is humans.
With the re cent change of Redguards from Africans to Moors they also got a culture that most people understand.
That beeing said tho Hammerfell right now is the only province activeley fighting the thalmor.
Also they do have the inner conflict of the Crown and the Forbear.
Hammerfell just lends itself to it.
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(April 24th 2013, 11:46 PM)Sordak Wrote: Well see.
Bethesda wants to make money. Thats why people make games.
Black marsh is too weird to set a game there.
Why? Cause bareley any non argonian can live there.

Would you think they would make a game where 90% of all the NPCs are lizard people?
Not to mention that Black Marsh itself, beeing extremeley dense, would be tanking framerate on alot of PCs.
Also note that the position black marsh is in right now does not lend itself to a TES game.

The only idea of a working game i could have was one thats beeing set between southern morrowind and northern blackmarsh.

Hammerfell on the other hand is quite different from skyrim (after oblivion and skyrim making a game in high rock would be silly) yet not something that kills PCs left and right. There are plenty of reasons for all races to be there and the main population is humans.
With the re cent change of Redguards from Africans to Moors they also got a culture that most people understand.
That beeing said tho Hammerfell right now is the only province activeley fighting the thalmor.
Also they do have the inner conflict of the Crown and the Forbear.
Hammerfell just lends itself to it.

Remember the next TES will be in 5 years time. Also how does the position it's in not lend itself to a game? It's a time of great political change where the Argonians are independent and unified for the first time in a while! Also it would add new creatures to fight instead of boring wolves and bears aswell as have loads of ruins and lost loot. The fact that there will be mostly argonians living there could be changed by the an xileel making argonia a rich nation that has allies and has made lot's of places for outsiders to come and bring trade.
I also think it will be Hammerfell (for very obvious reasons) but I just want to it to be black marsh.


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(April 25th 2013, 07:39 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

i would like it to be Argonia too.
but that is simply not realistic. Argonia is the most seculdet province. All of the inner marsh is inhabitable to all those that are not of argonian stock.

On your point on the An Xileel: but thats not their intention. They are ultra conservative. Bent on restoring the state Black Marsh was in before Imperial activities started, rather than leading it forward.
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(April 25th 2013, 08:10 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 07:39 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

i would like it to be Argonia too.
but that is simply not realistic. Argonia is the most seculdet province. All of the inner marsh is inhabitable to all those that are not of argonian stock.

On your point on the An Xileel: but thats not their intention. They are ultra conservative. Bent on restoring the state Black Marsh was in before Imperial activities started, rather than leading it forward.

the An xileel can still change or there could be a long plot as to why they changed their views that involves a thalmor threat. The middle of argonia is not un inhabitable it's just hard to get to.


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(April 25th 2013, 09:54 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 08:10 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 07:39 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

i would like it to be Argonia too.
but that is simply not realistic. Argonia is the most seculdet province. All of the inner marsh is inhabitable to all those that are not of argonian stock.

On your point on the An Xileel: but thats not their intention. They are ultra conservative. Bent on restoring the state Black Marsh was in before Imperial activities started, rather than leading it forward.

the An xileel can still change or there could be a long plot as to why they changed their views that involves a thalmor threat. The middle of argonia is not un inhabitable it's just hard to get to.

the anxileel care not for the matters outside the marsh.
Change is if anything to be taken literaly on argonians, never culturally aplied.
it is not what they strive for.

Its wishfull thinking to say that the argonians would somehow turn on the Aldmeri Dominion. Im fairly sure that the Hist know very well that the Altmers efforts to destabilize Mundus are faulty.
They evidently know how to avoid the landfall and will become a major power.

And no. the middle of argonia is not inhabitable by anything non Argonian.
Thats been proven time and time again.
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(April 25th 2013, 10:25 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 09:54 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 08:10 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 07:39 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

i would like it to be Argonia too.
but that is simply not realistic. Argonia is the most seculdet province. All of the inner marsh is inhabitable to all those that are not of argonian stock.

On your point on the An Xileel: but thats not their intention. They are ultra conservative. Bent on restoring the state Black Marsh was in before Imperial activities started, rather than leading it forward.

the An xileel can still change or there could be a long plot as to why they changed their views that involves a thalmor threat. The middle of argonia is not un inhabitable it's just hard to get to.

the anxileel care not for the matters outside the marsh.
Change is if anything to be taken literaly on argonians, never culturally aplied.
it is not what they strive for.

Its wishfull thinking to say that the argonians would somehow turn on the Aldmeri Dominion. Im fairly sure that the Hist know very well that the Altmers efforts to destabilize Mundus are faulty.
They evidently know how to avoid the landfall and will become a major power.

And no. the middle of argonia is not inhabitable by anything non Argonian.
Thats been proven time and time again.

I'm talking about a thalmor invasion and no it is habitable it's just hard to get there, if they made places for outsiders to stay, they would be able to stay.


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(April 25th 2013, 01:11 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

dont get your fanon on me.
There is no single instance of this happening.
The closest humans ever got to the inner marshes was by boat and even they were primarily pirates and didnt get too far.
No human has ever set foot on helstrom.
And there is only a single account of a human seeing the great hist groves and that was decemus scotti because he got rescued by a agacepa tribe.

You could not live there.

On the Thalmor: you clearly misunderstand the goals of the Thalmor.
World domination is not one of them. There is (as far as we know) no Tower in Black Marsh.
Therfor the Thalmor have NO reason to invade it (not to mention they could never pull it off, if tiber cant pull it off, elves could neither)
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(April 25th 2013, 01:29 PM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 01:11 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

dont get your fanon on me.
There is no single instance of this happening.
The closest humans ever got to the inner marshes was by boat and even they were primarily pirates and didnt get too far.
No human has ever set foot on helstrom.
And there is only a single account of a human seeing the great hist groves and that was decemus scotti because he got rescued by a agacepa tribe.

You could not live there.

On the Thalmor: you clearly misunderstand the goals of the Thalmor.
World domination is not one of them. There is (as far as we know) no Tower in Black Marsh.
Therfor the Thalmor have NO reason to invade it (not to mention they could never pull it off, if tiber cant pull it off, elves could neither)

You just proved that you can live there and if you bothered to read my post carefully you would see that I said that the an xileel would build places for the outsiders to live. Also things can change, that includes ideals and reasons and a lot of things change over time.


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Azhir - Redguard knight dedicated to the art of war
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(April 26th 2013, 09:03 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 01:29 PM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 01:11 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

dont get your fanon on me.
There is no single instance of this happening.
The closest humans ever got to the inner marshes was by boat and even they were primarily pirates and didnt get too far.
No human has ever set foot on helstrom.
And there is only a single account of a human seeing the great hist groves and that was decemus scotti because he got rescued by a agacepa tribe.

You could not live there.

On the Thalmor: you clearly misunderstand the goals of the Thalmor.
World domination is not one of them. There is (as far as we know) no Tower in Black Marsh.
Therfor the Thalmor have NO reason to invade it (not to mention they could never pull it off, if tiber cant pull it off, elves could neither)

You just proved that you can live there and if you bothered to read my post carefully you would see that I said that the an xileel would build places for the outsiders to live. Also things can change, that includes ideals and reasons and a lot of things change over time.

erh.
look. I have no need to argue with your fanon.

if its neither in the lore nor good monkeytruth i do not take it seriously in a debate.

No. outsiders have never lived in the inner marsh.
And no. the an xileel would not build habitats for them.
The entire philosophy of the an xileel is based around Argonian isolationism, the banning of outsiders from the Hist and restoring argonian reign over the Black Marsh.

There simply is no logical reason for them to change those ideals.
And thus they would not do it.
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(April 26th 2013, 09:29 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 26th 2013, 09:03 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 01:29 PM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 25th 2013, 01:11 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

dont get your fanon on me.
There is no single instance of this happening.
The closest humans ever got to the inner marshes was by boat and even they were primarily pirates and didnt get too far.
No human has ever set foot on helstrom.
And there is only a single account of a human seeing the great hist groves and that was decemus scotti because he got rescued by a agacepa tribe.

You could not live there.

On the Thalmor: you clearly misunderstand the goals of the Thalmor.
World domination is not one of them. There is (as far as we know) no Tower in Black Marsh.
Therfor the Thalmor have NO reason to invade it (not to mention they could never pull it off, if tiber cant pull it off, elves could neither)

You just proved that you can live there and if you bothered to read my post carefully you would see that I said that the an xileel would build places for the outsiders to live. Also things can change, that includes ideals and reasons and a lot of things change over time.

erh.
look. I have no need to argue with your fanon.

if its neither in the lore nor good monkeytruth i do not take it seriously in a debate.

No. outsiders have never lived in the inner marsh.
And no. the an xileel would not build habitats for them.
The entire philosophy of the an xileel is based around Argonian isolationism, the banning of outsiders from the Hist and restoring argonian reign over the Black Marsh.

There simply is no logical reason for them to change those ideals.
And thus they would not do it.

I had this whole big paragraph written but I just can't find itself in me to have this debate, it's Friday and the week is over! I should be relaxing so I will, it was nice arguing with you :)


Death to Queen Ayrenn!
Down with the covenant!
Glory to the pact!

Xhuvara - Argonian guerrilla fighter and leader of the shadow fangs

Azhir - Redguard knight dedicated to the art of war
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(April 26th 2013, 11:53 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

there was never an argument.
there was just you beeing wrong.
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(April 26th 2013, 01:18 PM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 26th 2013, 11:53 AM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

there was never an argument.
there was just you beeing wrong.

keep telling yourself that ;)


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