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I want to buy this game as it looks amazing and I'm sure a lot of others do to but the subscription is just a con to claw as much money as they can. I would rather pay double for the game upfront for them to say we will give 2 years worth of full content etc then to pay normal price for a full game then a subscription. it's not that I can't afford the subscription it's just I like to play other games to and have work, gf etc and can't devote all my time being a nerd. So to pay a fee monthly for a game that I will play for a month and then after play now and then as I feel is a lot of money.
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i pay for netflix every month but i dont watch tv every day so what are you saying?

subscription argument done to death and then some.

its hard to take this seriously or even care anymore.


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Yeah I know what you are saying. It's not my situation, but I have given this scenario some thought:
Lets consider a young adult(s), out on their own, having children, etc. They don't have much time to waste on a game, esp if they are very enterprising or ambitious. So they might play the game a few hours a week at best. For them that is a very steep price to pay to play ESO. That might come up to $1 an hour for such ppl. I agree. But then again, if you buy a $60 game and play it for 60hrs, and then stop and it wastes away, how is that different? With ESO you will get new content over time. So it all really depends on how you look at it. If you choose to look at it like the OP, that's your choice, and I respect that too.
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I like to play a game and then come back to it a week, month maybe in a year time I don't want to have to feel pressured into playing it to justify a sub. Maybe a fairer way is to say pay £10 and get 25 hours, £20 50 hours etc. or at least free digital dl and pay sub. Too me I'm paying a sub for a beta game because they adding content regular so obviously it's not a full game. Wow charges full game price for exspantions. For majority of people moaning about subs proves that it's a money making scheme.
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I'm not going into another book-length rant about why the game is and should be subscription, I will just add a few points to consider.

- Any other payment method CANNOT make enough money to supply the game with future content or customer support.
- Any other payment model involves cash shops with pay to win items.
- Subscription is the cheapest way to play quality content.
- It is a significant minority of players who are complaining about subscription costs.


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(April 8th 2014, 02:48 AM)Toptom Wrote: I like to play a game and then come back to it a week, month maybe in a year time I don't want to have to feel pressured into playing it to justify a sub. Maybe a fairer way is to say pay £10 and get 25 hours, £20 50 hours etc. or at least free digital dl and pay sub. Too me I'm paying a sub for a beta game because they adding content regular so obviously it's not a full game. Wow charges full game price for exspantions. For majority of people moaning about subs proves that it's a money making scheme.

I think you can do that ("play a game and then come back to it a week, month maybe in a year time"). Just pay the sub until you stop playing, and then when you want to play again buy another month. Simple. Problem solved.
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(April 8th 2014, 02:48 AM)Toptom Wrote: I like to play a game and then come back to it a week, month maybe in a year time I don't want to have to feel pressured into playing it to justify a sub. Maybe a fairer way is to say pay £10 and get 25 hours, £20 50 hours etc. or at least free digital dl and pay sub. Too me I'm paying a sub for a beta game because they adding content regular so obviously it's not a full game. Wow charges full game price for exspantions. For majority of people moaning about subs proves that it's a money making scheme.

Not sure why you used WoW as an example when you don't like the sub fees. WoW not only charges for the expansions as if they were a full game, but you also pay a monthly sub fee. Sounds like WoW would have been your least favorite example.

Also, any good MMO that uses the subscription model SHOULD provide regular content updates. Saying it is not a full game just because they provide regular content updates is like saying the NFL Super Bowl is not a championship game because they will have more games next year.


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I think it's viable. It gives the developers a more steady stream of money instead of a one time money gain wich in turn can help improve the game. For example Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. GW2 is one time payment but they've added in micro-transactions to make the game sustainable over longer periods of time. What I do think is that they should get rid of the micro-transactions (a horse now I believe) and just make all the content avaiable if you p2p.


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(April 8th 2014, 07:26 AM)Iksarai Wrote: I think it's viable. It gives the developers a more steady stream of money instead of a one time money gain wich in turn can help improve the game. For example Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. GW2 is one time payment but they've added in micro-transactions to make the game sustainable over longer periods of time. What I do think is that they should get rid of the micro-transactions (a horse now I believe) and just make all the content avaiable if you p2p.

There are no micro-transactions yet, the horse you mention is a CE-bonus.
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(April 8th 2014, 08:06 AM)Loqe Wrote:
(April 8th 2014, 07:26 AM)Iksarai Wrote: I think it's viable. It gives the developers a more steady stream of money instead of a one time money gain wich in turn can help improve the game. For example Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. GW2 is one time payment but they've added in micro-transactions to make the game sustainable over longer periods of time. What I do think is that they should get rid of the micro-transactions (a horse now I believe) and just make all the content avaiable if you p2p.

There are no micro-transactions yet, the horse you mention is a CE-bonus.

But then what is that horse in the store for 12 euro's? https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/s...mino_horse


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(April 8th 2014, 08:06 AM)Loqe Wrote:
(April 8th 2014, 07:26 AM)Iksarai Wrote: I think it's viable. It gives the developers a more steady stream of money instead of a one time money gain wich in turn can help improve the game. For example Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. GW2 is one time payment but they've added in micro-transactions to make the game sustainable over longer periods of time. What I do think is that they should get rid of the micro-transactions (a horse now I believe) and just make all the content avaiable if you p2p.

There are no micro-transactions yet, the horse you mention is a CE-bonus.

I would consider the palamino horse available in the ESO store a micro. A lot of people were not happy when they announced the horse could be purchased because people are afraid the ESO store is going to get away from 'services' and be filled with in game items for purchase, thereby making the game not only sub fee, but P2W as well. I don't think that will happen, but I can see where this could alarm people.

I think the devs were under a lot of pressure because the CE has the mount, and people felt like that was in many ways going too far in what the CE provided over non CE players. I bought the CE for Xbox, and I doubt I will even use the horse early on, as I want to explore every corner and nook, but I think people were primarily complaining about the CE buyers having a horse early on in PvP. Ehh, I don't think it is a big deal, but like I said, a lot of people complained and so they put the horse in the store.


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Uggg i know, subscriptions. Not that long ago the problem i had with subs is every game was a sub, next thing you know that measly 15 is much more if you had a few games on the go.

Other issues i had is that i always seemed to be done playing "mmo name" for now the day after the sub went through, great just paid for 30 days for a game i'm not going to play. ffs

Then free to play came, and i was going that route and sometimes the restrictions made the game better as it made it more old school if you will.

SWTOR was the first mmo where i subbed up (about 3 months ago) and in a weird way totally felt worth it for whatever reason, i played that game at launch, subbed for a bout 2/3 months and moved on, came back when it went f2p and had a blast unlocking everything, harvesting and totally playing free on and off until about 3 months ago, i totally got into it, and i subbed and again first time it ever felt that that 15 was really worth it, 500 cc, everything unlocked, and overall it could be because so much is pinned down but obtainable for in game credits so you're not really forced to pay.

Now swtor is really upping the reason to have a sub, you're getting mounts, extra cartel coins, free houses, early access but now......

THERE IS ONLY ONE PROBLEM.... I"M NOT PLAYING IT ANYMORE SINCE ESO LAUNCHED. lol But i don't want to cancel in case i go back, but ESO is light years better, but ESO is still shiny to me too. ugggg

So here we go again, but wait this time i have an entire family playing ESO, along with my swtor, i have like 5 subs going, so that meager, measly 15 a month is now 75 bones ffs.

Problem is that atm the 15 a month doesn't really seem worth it to me yet, yes, yes, yes i LOVE ESO; i'm in love with the game, it's just here we are back to the 15 a month fiasco of yesteryear, oh great, although it doesn't seem to interest me wildstar is coming, ffs.......
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(April 8th 2014, 08:06 AM)Loqe Wrote:
(April 8th 2014, 07:26 AM)Iksarai Wrote: I think it's viable. It gives the developers a more steady stream of money instead of a one time money gain wich in turn can help improve the game. For example Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. GW2 is one time payment but they've added in micro-transactions to make the game sustainable over longer periods of time. What I do think is that they should get rid of the micro-transactions (a horse now I believe) and just make all the content avaiable if you p2p.

There are no micro-transactions yet, the horse you mention is a CE-bonus.

Nah they opened the ESO store and you can now buy a Palomino horse for $14.99, that is usable by toons level 10 and up.
I bought one just to cause people fits of rage in zone chat about "idiots splurging and spending money IRL on stuff they like." ;)


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(April 8th 2014, 11:46 AM)Moonmoon Wrote: Nah they opened the ESO store and you can now buy a Palomino horse for $14.99, that is usable by toons level 10 and up.
I bought one just to cause people fits of rage in zone chat about "idiots splurging and spending money IRL on stuff they like." ;)

Well, since you bought it only to anger people, do feel free to send that horse to my account.

Wouldn't want to waste those 15 bucks.
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