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Analytic/Thoughtful characters


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I've noticed a trend amongst my ideas for characters that a great deal of them are either extremely analytical and/or very thoughtful in nature. After reading some of the other RP lines that are going on in this forum I've recognized some problems I'd have with them, and I am curious if anyone might possess any ideas/knowledge about these types of characters. I'm new to roleplaying, and would like my first character to work well.

To show examples of my problems, I'll use parts of Shadow's Ascent, which is masterminded by @Horizon Seeker.

Quote:"Eswin Whiteclaw... is under attack!" the man fell, a wound in his back. Thorfinn saw the fire and smelt the smoke, Jorvenhal was burning. He charged inside, not bothering to put on his helm.

Most characters I've made would immediately inspect the wound, in an attempt to discover the type of weapon and the skill of the fighter. If I made the description overly lengthy it would break the pace of the moment and be rather boring. If I made no description, or a cursory one, it would seem as if I was making it up just to make my character look better. As well, I would need to PM the (dungeon master?) to tell me the details of the wound or the weapon that made it, which would be bothersome for the person in question, especially if I had to do so often during the course of the RP.

Quote:Perhaps they could catch the Masked One before he could escape, but to do so would mean abandoning Engar Whiteclaw to his fate. Endaros could only hope that Quib and Thorfinn would make the right decision...

All of the characters present chose to help Engar, using about only a sentence or so explaining why, or not acknowledging the existence of the first option. Most characters I would like to make would spend a paragraph or more mulling over the possible contingencies, searching for a tactical solution. Again, the details have the same problem of being too long and interrupting the flow of events or being too short and seeming like a thoughtless decision.

If possible, I would like to know what your opinion of the middle-ground is. Or, if a character like this is not plausible when working with other people while attempting to match your pace, do not hesitate to say so.

Much thanks.
This post was last modified: May 28th 2013, 02:33 PM by Tarkil Indoril


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Hey Tarkil! Welcome to these forums, and thanks for taking the time to read over some of our RP's. You bring up a good issue to discuss, although it's definitely tough to fully address!

When approaching a situation, is it best to write quickly and concisely or detailed with careful consideration? Neither way is intrinsically wrong to do, as each has style its use. I find it heavily based on the circumstance and subjective judgement, along with someone's personal writing style. Sometimes it's best to write a single sentence to keep things flowing, and other times a bit of detail can really color the scene.

Of course if you write too little; it may seem thoughtless. If you write too much; it may drown the scene with words! There's a range in between the two which is the best. But it's a pretty wide and forgiving range I believe.

I normally just eyeball what's going on then write the way I think is best for the RP, whether that means going one way or the other. Of course sometimes I'm wrong, and I look back regreting my choices; but that happens to everyone and it isn't something to constantly worry about.

Of course some people consistently write little and others consistently write a lot. This is just their writing style, and it may not be for everyone. You do not need to accept it as your own, but you can read it with an open mind.


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As a general comment, many 'DMs' like it when people get involved with the RP and ask for more info, I know I do.

As for your characters, paragraphs detailing thought processes can get in the way of the flow the RP, but if your character likes to be analytic and thoughtful, go with it. Perhaps your character hesitates in snap situations, has trouble over-thinking scenarios, struggles to be decisive? He gains more insight into his decisions, yes, and gleans some advantages, but there are disadvantages too.

So take the OOC concerns IC, if you follow me. A character operating as you have described above works well if you add the caveat of realistic implications of such behavior.

In the second section there was one thing I would like to add. You can manipulate certain things to avoid situations you wish to avoid. For example, Thorfinn didn't choose between continuing the fight (all his instincts would scream to do this) and between saving Engar because I removed the decision by not allowing Thorfinn to see option one. So in a similar situation you could do the same if you felt the Rp would benefit from a shorter post without the overly analytic approach. Your character has no analysis to make because the smoke obscures his vision and he/she can't see his foe, only the man who needs saving. If you want to pick and choose you moments, do so!
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(May 27th 2013, 01:12 PM)Thorfinn Wrote: As a general comment, many 'DMs' like it when people get involved with the RP and ask for more info, I know I do.

Yep, I have no issue with people asking me for info about an RP in some sort of OOC way. It helps connect multiple posters to the same scene.

Tarkil, if you were in the RP and took the time to analyze the scene and expressed it in a paragraph; I think it'd be a good way to show your character's consideration! Thorfinn's quick leap into the fray with a few lines may show his character's eagerness to get into the battle. While your character's careful thought process may show his caution in approaching dangerous circumstances. You don't need to conform with your fellow posters, just write something enjoyable the way you think is best.


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I've been very very tired lately with it being the end of my Uni work (I have just finished now so i can be more involved on my RPs ^-^). I really don't want to be the reason for the story going to a halt so i give a quick (thought out) reply summing up exactly what my character thought.

I write that my character helped the nord, not because it was the right thing to do but because Quib didn't think he could take on the 'masked one', I did this to (hopefully) show that Quib deep inside knows he's a coward. He couldn't beat the masked one with help, no way he was going to do it on his own. I feel that we can learn more from the little things from a character than a monolouge ^-^. But hey that is just me :P

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Bearing in mind that most people aren't published writers and just want to enjoy themselves for a while, you can hardly expect deep internal monologues questioning everything about reality. Also, why should other people know what your character s thinking? You can either view it as a story or as real life (with elves, and dragons and shit...). It does't seem very realistic where everyone can know exactly what your thinking, especially as o of my characters are compulsive liars.


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Ah, I thank you all for your input and the welcome.

I believe I have a better grasp of what I should do as I roleplay these characters, and the tactics you put up will very likely in come in handy. I am gladdened that this type of character has the possibility of working well, as this is the type of character that I'm most interested in.

@Iogarn, Aye, I understand what you're trying to say. I'm just worried that if the reader does not understand the character's motives and thoughts the character will be much more difficult to sympathize with, so I feel that having the reader know at least some of the character's inner workings it might be easier to understand the character.
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In the above situation I believe you should look further at the story. There are several pages where we all tended to wax a bit long in the description of our characters actions. But when the action heated up the posts got a bit shorter. This represents the quick decision making that the characters needed to do. I personally believe you have to respond to the situation, but obviously also keep true to the character.

There isn't a hard and fast rule to how to do this, it's just something you pick up with experience and practice. You'll make mistakes, and that's ok just roll with the punches so to speak and you'll do fine. Most RPers will keep in mind that your new and be cool about it. Ultimately you'll get it.


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