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(January 23rd 2013, 04:10 PM)Shardan Wrote: i'll be playing an argonian, either an assassin or a thief. pretty standard. if i play an assassin he'll be a shadowscale, hopefulyl in-game lore will support it this time, if a thief i'll play an orphan who simply grew up on the wrong side. cliche? yeah. it really is, but it's my character so :P

shadowscales are extremeley rare and are trained for the dark brotherhood at birth. im pretty sure you cant be one.
You never could so far.
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(January 24th 2013, 02:58 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(January 23rd 2013, 04:10 PM)Shardan Wrote: i'll be playing an argonian, either an assassin or a thief. pretty standard. if i play an assassin he'll be a shadowscale, hopefulyl in-game lore will support it this time, if a thief i'll play an orphan who simply grew up on the wrong side. cliche? yeah. it really is, but it's my character so :P

shadowscales are extremeley rare and are trained for the dark brotherhood at birth. im pretty sure you cant be one.
You never could so far.

I know, which is why i'm hoping that if the argonians have an assassin type class that's the lore they use for it. just because I've always RP'd one in the single player games. if i can't well, i can always just pick pockets
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(January 24th 2013, 10:20 AM)Shardan Wrote:
(January 24th 2013, 02:58 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(January 23rd 2013, 04:10 PM)Shardan Wrote: i'll be playing an argonian, either an assassin or a thief. pretty standard. if i play an assassin he'll be a shadowscale, hopefulyl in-game lore will support it this time, if a thief i'll play an orphan who simply grew up on the wrong side. cliche? yeah. it really is, but it's my character so :P

shadowscales are extremeley rare and are trained for the dark brotherhood at birth. im pretty sure you cant be one.
You never could so far.

I know, which is why i'm hoping that if the argonians have an assassin type class that's the lore they use for it. just because I've always RP'd one in the single player games. if i can't well, i can always just pick pockets

I might be repeating myself here, but im just not a fan of the idea that Argonians should be thieves.
its a misinterpretation that comes from the fact that kahjiit are well suited for that class.

ive made a rundown. Thief is the class argonians are the worst suited for. The best beeing Barbarian, Archer and Scout.
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(January 24th 2013, 10:22 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(January 24th 2013, 10:20 AM)Shardan Wrote:
(January 24th 2013, 02:58 AM)Sordak Wrote:
(January 23rd 2013, 04:10 PM)Shardan Wrote: i'll be playing an argonian, either an assassin or a thief. pretty standard. if i play an assassin he'll be a shadowscale, hopefulyl in-game lore will support it this time, if a thief i'll play an orphan who simply grew up on the wrong side. cliche? yeah. it really is, but it's my character so :P

shadowscales are extremeley rare and are trained for the dark brotherhood at birth. im pretty sure you cant be one.
You never could so far.

I know, which is why i'm hoping that if the argonians have an assassin type class that's the lore they use for it. just because I've always RP'd one in the single player games. if i can't well, i can always just pick pockets

I might be repeating myself here, but im just not a fan of the idea that Argonians should be thieves.
its a misinterpretation that comes from the fact that kahjiit are well suited for that class.

ive made a rundown. Thief is the class argonians are the worst suited for. The best beeing Barbarian, Archer and Scout.

meh, i say thief or assassin because those were always the first two guilds i joined in oblivion. may not be the best class to play as an argonian, but hey, i have a night elf rogue in WoW, and they aren't the best rogues. if i wanted to min/max i'd keep playing WoW lol just saying
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i just dont like the fact how everyone automatically assumes taht argonians would be thieves or the stealth calss of the EP. when clearly this is not the case.
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In Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim (which I may have repeated in several of my posts here in the Ebonheart section, I just recently joined and instead of making a "hello!" thread I jump immediatly into the Ebonheart corner of the forums), I always played an Argonian that was skilled in Heavy Armor, Blade (One Hnaded in Skyrim), Block (prior to Skyrim), Destruction, Restoration, and Smithing with a tidbit in Conjuration. None of these besides Restoration were ideal specializations for Argonians but I made it work anyway, in fact I hardly noticed. Water looks different when you can breath an infinite amount of time in there, a part of the terrain to be used and exploited rather than avoided, the resistances to disease (and poison prior) are always helpful, and Histskin....oh how I love you Histskin...

Plus I always gravitate toward reptilian races in RPGs, so the Argonians are ideal. If I play a Man, it's Nord. If I play a Mer, it's Dunmer (or Orc). So having these races as allies doesn't bother me, heh. Although I will very much likely roll a Khajiit and an Orc to see the AD and DC areas, if only for that reason. While my Argonian Spellsword was my main in all the games, I've always tuckered around in each one as a Khajiit Mage and Orc Berserker.

I do agree with Sordak, Argonians aren't a pure stealth race. They're actually fairly balanced. They have bonuses to magic (Restoration) which prods them to becoming support casters, and lore wise they have always had an interest in the arcane arts. They may not be as burely as Orcs or Nords, but they can make great fighters too. They are experts in guerilla warfare not because they are naturally stealthy, it's because fighting in Black Marsh is living hell for all except our scaley friends, who poke and prod and torment the enemy while swamprot takes them at the same time.
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(January 24th 2013, 10:31 AM)Sordak Wrote: i just dont like the fact how everyone automatically assumes taht argonians would be thieves or the stealth calss of the EP. when clearly this is not the case.

oh, i'm just hoping classes aren't race-locked. i'd be a sad lizard otherwise. i picked argonian assassin or thief simply because that's what i always play when i play the single player ES games. i like playing a lizard, and i like sneaking around and doing naughty things. i could care less if argonians aren't thieves, or shadowscales are really rare lore-wise, i just happen to like playing those class-types. if i can, awesome, if not...well not-so-awesome
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(January 24th 2013, 10:44 AM)Shardan Wrote: oh, i'm just hoping classes aren't race-locked. i'd be a sad lizard otherwise. i picked argonian assassin or thief simply because that's what i always play when i play the single player ES games. i like playing a lizard, and i like sneaking around and doing naughty things. i could care less if argonians aren't thieves, or shadowscales are really rare lore-wise, i just happen to like playing those class-types. if i can, awesome, if not...well not-so-awesome

This is perfectly fine, the class type I described above is still something that Argonians really aren't built for, but I love playing Argonians (and reptilian races in general) and I really love the arcane warrior type classes, mixing heavy armor and martial prowess with magical spell flinging. What I think Sordak is mentioning is that most people assume (not you in particular) that Argonians are stereotyped as the 'stealth/thief' class of the EP despite them not getting bonus points in talent lines that thieves usually have.

Edit: Then again, this particular subtopic is all for not if there are no racial bonuses. Then nothing would seperate an Argonian assassin from a Nord assassin besides actual racial abilities. Which is how I like it.
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(January 24th 2013, 10:41 AM)dangeraaron10 Wrote: snip

they actually dont focus on restoration.
The problem with skyrim is that their 5 main boni are not in the game anymore. making them shit.

The original focus of argonians were on Mysticism (no longer in the game), Spear (no longer in the game), Medium Armor (no longer in the game), Athletics (no longer in the game) Illusion and Unarmoured (no longer in the game)

They might have some support ish abilities in Mysticism, but certainly not geared towards a healer.
of course you can play an argonian any way you want. But im just saying that your standart run of the mill argonian that sticks to what he is good at wouldnt be that.

The Atributes of an Argonian give them (basing off the standart 40) +10 Agility, +10 speed (if male) -10 endurance -10 personality and +10 intelligence (if female)

The lack of endurence makes them lack in any kind of class that requires heavy armor and the lack of personality makes them unsuited for classes such as agent and bard.
The Knight class completeley drops as he needs both endurence and personality.

His most usefull class, the Barbarian benefits from having two of the argonians big boni as main atributes (athletics and medium armor) and one more as a minor skill (unarmoured) they also use the Speed atribute what the argonian has plenty of.

If you happen to play a female Argonian, your best bet is probably the Mage who makes good use of the Illusion and Mysticism boni and also puts the +10 intellect to good use.

EDIT: of course nothing limits anyone in TESO, im just making this statement out of spite for those that belief otherwise. Also to answer your questions: classes will not be race locked.
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(January 24th 2013, 10:41 AM)dangeraaron10 Wrote: I always played an Argonian that was skilled in Heavy Armor, Blade (One Hnaded in Skyrim), Block (prior to Skyrim), Destruction, Restoration, and Smithing with a tidbit in Conjuration. None

yay im not the only one
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I'm personally looking forward to running with Argonians. I'm betting that most Nords will want to be heavy armor wearing melee. I myself am planning on a light armored tank (thinking Templar at the moment), wearing Chitin or Bonemold. I'd be really happy to fight alongside light armor-wearing Argonians, whose abilities and mobility would (hopefully) allow for a faster pace of combat and faster movement.

This is, of course, if the light armor perks are conducive to tanking.


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http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Armor..._Challenge

Just to be a nusiance, although argonian players in previous titles may tend to be decent at heavy armor it is for me at least just to get my end up light armor otherwise.

Also lore-wise argonians are more suited to light armor being a thief is just a bonus due to not being a living trash-can with legs.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Buying_Game

but yah even though khajiit and bosmer are the main suspects for any shop lifting argonians are not that trusted either.


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(January 25th 2013, 11:26 AM)Tricer Wrote: http://uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Armor..._Challenge

Just to be a nusiance, although argonian players in previous titles may tend to be decent at heavy armor it is for me at least just to get my end up light armor otherwise.

Also lore-wise argonians are more suited to light armor being a thief is just a bonus due to not being a living trash-can with legs.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Buying_Game

but yah even though khajiit and bosmer are the main suspects for any shop lifting argonians are not that trusted either.

suited for light armor yess , beeing a thief no.
How do you want to be a thief if city life is utterly alien to you? that doesnt work.
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Please understand.

Your character class IS NOT a major part of character development or play style.
Any race can be any class.
If you are looking for lore on stealthy Argonians you are looking at guerrilla warfare, not assassinations or cunning thefts.
As they want you to have freedom to choose your own story, I have nothing against Assassin/thief Argonians they have been in previous games.


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(January 25th 2013, 09:18 AM)Reichmar12 Wrote: I'm personally looking forward to running with Argonians. I'm betting that most Nords will want to be heavy armor wearing melee. I myself am planning on a light armored tank (thinking Templar at the moment), wearing Chitin or Bonemold. I'd be really happy to fight alongside light armor-wearing Argonians, whose abilities and mobility would (hopefully) allow for a faster pace of combat and faster movement.

This is, of course, if the light armor perks are conducive to tanking.
Agree 100%.

Although I'm debating whether I want to tank or not. I've pretty much decided on a Spear/Shield loadout, though. But I'm withholding judgement on armor type based on the perks involved therein. Gotta know what I'm getting into.


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