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Someone please explain to me the relationship between the blades and the Akaviri. I was under the impression that the Akaviri were known for attacking Tamriel and eating human settlers in Akavir. But I also hear the term "Akaviri" being thrown around when the blades are being discussed. Having trouble connecting the dots here.


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Well there are not just "akaviri"
Akavir is home to quite a few races, alot of them beastraces, but also humans.

The "akaviri" mentioned on the wall of Alduin were the original Akaviri Dragonguard, they were Dragon Hunters that came over the sea to search out for the Dragonborn to help him in his conquest of the Dragons.

From what we can see of alduins wall, they were human.
the thing is. ofthen the term "akaviri" gets messed up with the description of the "Tsaesci" who are snake people.
But Akaviri can refer to anyone from akavir. be it a human, a snake man or a monkey creature.

Especialy during the Reman empire Akaviri, especialy tsaesci and humans of their nation, were plentifull throughout the Empire.
Their knowledge of armed combat and running an empire were unmatched by the cyrodiilic emporers, so they used the Akaviri as advisors.
the most well known one beeing Versidu Shaie the Akaviri Potentate and his sone Savirien Chorak.
Both of wich are assasinated by the Morag Tong before the events of ESO.

Anyway. The Blades are descendants of the akaviri Dragon Hunting operations. they sitll use their armor and are educated in their customs.
However the blades became more of bodyguards and a kind of secret service for the emporer.
Especialy under Tiber Septim where they did have their prime.

So yeah thats kind of the relation.
They are in a simmilar one with the fighters guild. If you wanna know about that...
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(March 20th 2013, 04:28 PM)Sordak Wrote: Well there are not just "akaviri"
Akavir is home to quite a few races, alot of them beastraces, but also humans.

The "akaviri" mentioned on the wall of Alduin were the original Akaviri Dragonguard, they were Dragon Hunters that came over the sea to search out for the Dragonborn to help him in his conquest of the Dragons.

From what we can see of alduins wall, they were human.
the thing is. ofthen the term "akaviri" gets messed up with the description of the "Tsaesci" who are snake people.
But Akaviri can refer to anyone from akavir. be it a human, a snake man or a monkey creature.

Especialy during the Reman empire Akaviri, especialy tsaesci and humans of their nation, were plentifull throughout the Empire.
Their knowledge of armed combat and running an empire were unmatched by the cyrodiilic emporers, so they used the Akaviri as advisors.
the most well known one beeing Versidu Shaie the Akaviri Potentate and his sone Savirien Chorak.
Both of wich are assasinated by the Morag Tong before the events of ESO.

Anyway. The Blades are descendants of the akaviri Dragon Hunting operations. they sitll use their armor and are educated in their customs.
However the blades became more of bodyguards and a kind of secret service for the emporer.
Especialy under Tiber Septim where they did have their prime.

So yeah thats kind of the relation.
They are in a simmilar one with the fighters guild. If you wanna know about that...

Go for it! I enjoy lore, and you make more sense than the UESPWiki.
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(March 20th 2013, 04:28 PM)Sordak Wrote: Well there are not just "akaviri"
Akavir is home to quite a few races, alot of them beastraces, but also humans.

The "akaviri" mentioned on the wall of Alduin were the original Akaviri Dragonguard, they were Dragon Hunters that came over the sea to search out for the Dragonborn to help him in his conquest of the Dragons.

From what we can see of alduins wall, they were human.
the thing is. ofthen the term "akaviri" gets messed up with the description of the "Tsaesci" who are snake people.
But Akaviri can refer to anyone from akavir. be it a human, a snake man or a monkey creature.

Especialy during the Reman empire Akaviri, especialy tsaesci and humans of their nation, were plentifull throughout the Empire.
Their knowledge of armed combat and running an empire were unmatched by the cyrodiilic emporers, so they used the Akaviri as advisors.
the most well known one beeing Versidu Shaie the Akaviri Potentate and his sone Savirien Chorak.
Both of wich are assasinated by the Morag Tong before the events of ESO.

Anyway. The Blades are descendants of the akaviri Dragon Hunting operations. they sitll use their armor and are educated in their customs.
However the blades became more of bodyguards and a kind of secret service for the emporer.
Especialy under Tiber Septim where they did have their prime.

So yeah thats kind of the relation.
They are in a simmilar one with the fighters guild. If you wanna know about that...

Yes, continue I too like the lore and would like to know the conection to the fighters guild.


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well. actually i could tell you all about it but i guess i realy couldnt tell it any better than the book the info stems from.
Basically the Akaviri that served under reman were the first fighters guild.
They were called the Syfim, wich means soldier in the Tsaesci language.

Originally they only housed other Akaviri, however later they got an influx of natives.
this was also the beginning of the guild act.
Wich you might remember is the foundation of all the guilds (save for the "criminal" ones like the thieves guild and the dark brotherhood) weve seen in the elder scrolls games.

So in some ways the Akaviri warriors were the progenitors of basically every instutition weve seen in the TES games.
you can read the whole thing here http://www.imperial-library.info/content...st-edition
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Personally id like to see a map (doesn't have to be detailed) of Akavir, or a world map type deal.

Even if its just outlines i think it would be amazing.


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(March 20th 2013, 04:28 PM)Sordak Wrote: Well there are not just "akaviri"
Akavir is home to quite a few races, alot of them beastraces, but also humans.

The "akaviri" mentioned on the wall of Alduin were the original Akaviri Dragonguard, they were Dragon Hunters that came over the sea to search out for the Dragonborn to help him in his conquest of the Dragons.

From what we can see of alduins wall, they were human.
the thing is. ofthen the term "akaviri" gets messed up with the description of the "Tsaesci" who are snake people.
But Akaviri can refer to anyone from akavir. be it a human, a snake man or a monkey creature.

Especialy during the Reman empire Akaviri, especialy tsaesci and humans of their nation, were plentifull throughout the Empire.
Their knowledge of armed combat and running an empire were unmatched by the cyrodiilic emporers, so they used the Akaviri as advisors.
the most well known one beeing Versidu Shaie the Akaviri Potentate and his sone Savirien Chorak.
Both of wich are assasinated by the Morag Tong before the events of ESO.

Anyway. The Blades are descendants of the akaviri Dragon Hunting operations. they sitll use their armor and are educated in their customs.
However the blades became more of bodyguards and a kind of secret service for the emporer.
Especialy under Tiber Septim where they did have their prime.

So yeah thats kind of the relation.
They are in a simmilar one with the fighters guild. If you wanna know about that...

Actually the Dragonguard are said to come from "the snake palace" or tsaesci part of akavir. Also it is unclear whether the tsaesci race are human or serpentine as the few bits of evidence conflict with eachother. There are many theories of what they are for example a theory for them being men is that they have snake gods and try to mimic/ worshipe them through their weapons, armour and fighting style, the evidence is that in sky haven temple there are serpent like pictures on the walls and if you look closely at the guard of the blades sword it is actually a coiled up snake and their fighting style is presumably in a martial arts like fashion considering they seem to be based on the Japanese culture or a similar Asian culture. Now a theory for them being serpent folk is that the human armies they invaded tamriel with were full of human slaves made to fight by the tsaesci and that the amnesty granted by reman was actually to allow them asylum away from their serpent overlords. Another theory is that the serpent folk used mercenaries to invade However it is very unlikely that slaves and mercenaries would carry on the culture of the tsaesci through keeping the arms and armour and building in traditional tsaesci ways. I think that they are indeed men and that the way they present themselves made others think they were serpent folk like how real life cultures have seen animals like the colossal squid and turned them into tales like the kraken that aren't true.


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(April 24th 2013, 01:29 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote:
(March 20th 2013, 04:28 PM)Sordak Wrote: Well there are not just "akaviri"
Akavir is home to quite a few races, alot of them beastraces, but also humans.

The "akaviri" mentioned on the wall of Alduin were the original Akaviri Dragonguard, they were Dragon Hunters that came over the sea to search out for the Dragonborn to help him in his conquest of the Dragons.

From what we can see of alduins wall, they were human.
the thing is. ofthen the term "akaviri" gets messed up with the description of the "Tsaesci" who are snake people.
But Akaviri can refer to anyone from akavir. be it a human, a snake man or a monkey creature.

Especialy during the Reman empire Akaviri, especialy tsaesci and humans of their nation, were plentifull throughout the Empire.
Their knowledge of armed combat and running an empire were unmatched by the cyrodiilic emporers, so they used the Akaviri as advisors.
the most well known one beeing Versidu Shaie the Akaviri Potentate and his sone Savirien Chorak.
Both of wich are assasinated by the Morag Tong before the events of ESO.

Anyway. The Blades are descendants of the akaviri Dragon Hunting operations. they sitll use their armor and are educated in their customs.
However the blades became more of bodyguards and a kind of secret service for the emporer.
Especialy under Tiber Septim where they did have their prime.

So yeah thats kind of the relation.
They are in a simmilar one with the fighters guild. If you wanna know about that...

Actually the Dragonguard are said to come from "the snake palace" or tsaesci part of akavir. Also it is unclear whether the tsaesci race are human or serpentine as the few bits of evidence conflict with eachother. There are many theories of what they are for example a theory for them being men is that they have snake gods and try to mimic/ worshipe them through their weapons, armour and fighting style, the evidence is that in sky haven temple there are serpent like pictures on the walls and if you look closely at the guard of the blades sword it is actually a coiled up snake and their fighting style is presumably in a martial arts like fashion considering they seem to be based on the Japanese culture or a similar Asian culture. Now a theory for them being serpent folk is that the human armies they invaded tamriel with were full of human slaves made to fight by the tsaesci and that the amnesty granted by reman was actually to allow them asylum away from their serpent overlords. Another theory is that the serpent folk used mercenaries to invade However it is very unlikely that slaves and mercenaries would carry on the culture of the tsaesci through keeping the arms and armour and building in traditional tsaesci ways. I think that they are indeed men and that the way they present themselves made others think they were serpent folk like how real life cultures have seen animals like the colossal squid and turned them into tales like the kraken that aren't true.

thanks for educating me on the lore but mind you, i know it rather well and im aware of those silly theories on the lesser lore boards.

Thats why they are the lesser lore boards.
You are not the marukathi, you are not the memospore crowd.

to quote MK. in a universe like Tamriel you better take titles seriously.
Its true not all Tsaesci (by definition) are snake people. However the assumption that the correlence between serpentine nature and imperial propaganda and interlinking is artificial and is brought up by a part of the community that is ignorant about the deeper elements of relevent lore.

In short: snakes warning of snakes might be lorkahn. But beastmen will be beastmen, and not asians.
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(April 24th 2013, 01:39 PM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 24th 2013, 01:29 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote:
(March 20th 2013, 04:28 PM)Sordak Wrote: Well there are not just "akaviri"
Akavir is home to quite a few races, alot of them beastraces, but also humans.

The "akaviri" mentioned on the wall of Alduin were the original Akaviri Dragonguard, they were Dragon Hunters that came over the sea to search out for the Dragonborn to help him in his conquest of the Dragons.

From what we can see of alduins wall, they were human.
the thing is. ofthen the term "akaviri" gets messed up with the description of the "Tsaesci" who are snake people.
But Akaviri can refer to anyone from akavir. be it a human, a snake man or a monkey creature.

Especialy during the Reman empire Akaviri, especialy tsaesci and humans of their nation, were plentifull throughout the Empire.
Their knowledge of armed combat and running an empire were unmatched by the cyrodiilic emporers, so they used the Akaviri as advisors.
the most well known one beeing Versidu Shaie the Akaviri Potentate and his sone Savirien Chorak.
Both of wich are assasinated by the Morag Tong before the events of ESO.

Anyway. The Blades are descendants of the akaviri Dragon Hunting operations. they sitll use their armor and are educated in their customs.
However the blades became more of bodyguards and a kind of secret service for the emporer.
Especialy under Tiber Septim where they did have their prime.

So yeah thats kind of the relation.
They are in a simmilar one with the fighters guild. If you wanna know about that...

Actually the Dragonguard are said to come from "the snake palace" or tsaesci part of akavir. Also it is unclear whether the tsaesci race are human or serpentine as the few bits of evidence conflict with eachother. There are many theories of what they are for example a theory for them being men is that they have snake gods and try to mimic/ worshipe them through their weapons, armour and fighting style, the evidence is that in sky haven temple there are serpent like pictures on the walls and if you look closely at the guard of the blades sword it is actually a coiled up snake and their fighting style is presumably in a martial arts like fashion considering they seem to be based on the Japanese culture or a similar Asian culture. Now a theory for them being serpent folk is that the human armies they invaded tamriel with were full of human slaves made to fight by the tsaesci and that the amnesty granted by reman was actually to allow them asylum away from their serpent overlords. Another theory is that the serpent folk used mercenaries to invade However it is very unlikely that slaves and mercenaries would carry on the culture of the tsaesci through keeping the arms and armour and building in traditional tsaesci ways. I think that they are indeed men and that the way they present themselves made others think they were serpent folk like how real life cultures have seen animals like the colossal squid and turned them into tales like the kraken that aren't true.

thanks for educating me on the lore but mind you, i know it rather well and im aware of those silly theories on the lesser lore boards.

Thats why they are the lesser lore boards.
You are not the marukathi, you are not the memospore crowd.

to quote MK. in a universe like Tamriel you better take titles seriously.
Its true not all Tsaesci (by definition) are snake people. However the assumption that the correlence between serpentine nature and imperial propaganda and interlinking is artificial and is brought up by a part of the community that is ignorant about the deeper elements of relevent lore.

In short: snakes warning of snakes might be lorkahn. But beastmen will be beastmen, and not asians.

in short what I said was there is not enough evidence to prove they are human or serpentine so until Bethesda or zenimax gives us an answer or enough evidence to prove one theory or another it's all speculation so we better just keep speculating.


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(April 24th 2013, 01:50 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

only if you count lesser lore.
If you would listen to deep lore. Lets say if you think about Trans Cyrodiil: Insurection

you would come to the conclusion that serpentine tsaesci are not only a thing, but that Zurin Arctus is actually a snake man of akavir. (hiss-thooom and all the jazz)
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(April 24th 2013, 01:58 PM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 24th 2013, 01:50 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

only if you count lesser lore.
If you would listen to deep lore. Lets say if you think about Trans Cyrodiil: Insurection

you would come to the conclusion that serpentine tsaesci are not only a thing, but that Zurin Arctus is actually a snake man of akavir. (hiss-thooom and all the jazz)

So i'm supposed to take your word for it when there is no hard evidence that they are one or the other anywhere else in the internet?


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(April 24th 2013, 02:01 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote:
(April 24th 2013, 01:58 PM)Sordak Wrote:
(April 24th 2013, 01:50 PM)Roflwaffleauthoritah Wrote: snip

only if you count lesser lore.
If you would listen to deep lore. Lets say if you think about Trans Cyrodiil: Insurection

you would come to the conclusion that serpentine tsaesci are not only a thing, but that Zurin Arctus is actually a snake man of akavir. (hiss-thooom and all the jazz)

So i'm supposed to take your word for it when there is no hard evidence that they are one or the other anywhere else in the internet?

its your own fault for not following memospore tho.
TC:I has been posted by MK about a month ago.
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memospore is not the only good lore sight, it's just one of the most popular. what you can find in game is just as good lore as whats on a lore sight
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clearly you have no idea what memospore is.
its an ARG and no idea on the lore.
Im speaking of the community on it that consists of the most lore savvy people there are in the TES community.
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