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Common Miscaonception of Modern day Betas


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So this thread is mainly stemming from facebook discussion over at the official TESO facebook page and i'm starting to see a trend in mentality. There is a misconception that a beta even these days means that it is in a beta form and that they are inviting players to 'test' the game.

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many of you will defend this notion that a beta is a true testing stage for games but i have to disagree. Im going to use TESO as my basis.

I want to throw out a disclaimer - the EARLY beta invites (im talking about hte ones back in Jly of 2013) were indeed true beta testing phases. only a few players were invited and feedback was encouraged heavily.

This "beta" event?!?!?! it was FEATURE COMPLETE, they broke their own NDA and allowed numerous "press" YouTube personalities to REVIEW the game showing footage from the starting zone all the way to level 15 and they are also allowing PVP footage!! They then sent out SO MANY INVITES that we experienced 40 minutes queues. Then they encouraged players to flood the game to "break the record" on how many people logged into TESO.

I'm sorry but this was not a beta, this was a feature complete DEMO which they threw "beta" into the title so that they could use that as a crutch to lean on when reviews went south - "oh, this is beta, its not hte final version!!!"

I've got news for you folks, this game launches in TWO MONTHS. are we letting that sink in? TWO MONTHS. ok? how much are they going to actually fix or add in TWO MONTHS. they are in the finalization phase, the "getting it from the warehouse to the distributors" phase.

I am not criticizing the game becuase i want to talk shit, im criticizing hte game because i want it to improve and i refuse to give it a free pass like so many other people are doing. If you truly love the elder scrolls then you will demand the elder scrolls standard.

TL;DR: get it out of your heads that "oh this isnt hte final product" this beta event was feature complete and there isnt a whole lot more that can be done this close to launch. what you see is what you get. are you ok with it?


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Honestly, I haven't seen as many problems as some people have, and have been complaining about. The content has been pretty solid for me, not a ton of bugs (some lag induced things, nothing else really) and the game has been a blast.

I'm loving the difficulty curve after about level 7ish, at least for melee classes. Very, very gear dependent.
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Im loving it too. Random: How do i get to pvp?
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Uhh, it is a beta, its called a stress test, every single game does them, basically its now an ironing out the kinks phase.
Think what you will about it, but stress tests are absolutely vital.

And the only way to stress test, is to have people actually play the game as it is. to see how the software and hardware will cope under heavy load.
A lot of bugs you will experience will not be there while there is no stress. So in order to find the bugs.... You get the point.

This is a legitimate BETA testing phase.


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(February 8th 2014, 11:47 PM)Avidus Wrote: Uhh, it is a beta, its called a stress test, every single game does them, basically its now an ironing out the kinks phase.
Think what you will about it, but stress tests are absolutely vital.

And the only way to stress test, is to have people actually play the game as it is. to see how the software and hardware will cope under heavy load.
A lot of bugs you will experience will not be there while there is no stress. So in order to find the bugs.... You get the point.

This is a legitimate BETA testing phase.

And what happens when the game releases? it gets patched. often.

Never a finished product.
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why are they stress testing two months before launch? guys im scared. im scared that we are in for a bumpy launch.


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Uhm, because if they stress test it 4 months before launch, then they can sit around playing footsies while they wait for release, it happens close to release because it is essentially a finished. they use this point to get the game as flawless as possible, and test it in a close-to-real scenario so when release happens, they don't end up with WoW's massive launch fail.


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guild wars 2 was full of holes a few days before it launched. but they somehow managed to scrape through. our devs have more than a month to iron out the not so great parts of the game.
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(February 9th 2014, 12:30 AM)Rickter Wrote: why are they stress testing two months before launch? guys im scared. im scared that we are in for a bumpy launch.

what game hasn't had a rough launch? Honestly, i'm expecting week 1 to be the worst experience ever, such is the nature of MMO launches.

And yes, this is a legitimate stress test, and much of the problems have actually been manufactured to take different aspects of the servers (such as logins) and stress them the hell out. This is part finding crazy bugs that might break everything and part practicing fixing stuff when it does break.


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I'm just happy to be playing ESO, I expect there to be bugs now and I expect there to be bugs when it is released.

There are bugs with all games. I haven't experienced many bugs in ESO to be honest. I'm very happy with the progress being made.
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The queue/server/crashing/loading/etc is what they are testing, why do you think it's called a stress test? It's so they can see how much the servers can handle, thus the queues, etc. I don't think the servers are fully open for beta either, at launch there should be no problems with it (there most likely will be cause there always is).

Also, they are still working out bugs/glitches in the game, why wouldn't they be? There has been an improvement on bugs since the last test.
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you guys are only addressing my server queue criticism dodging the obvious "this is not a beta but a feature complete demo" argument. i guess you cant argue with truth.


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I don't see what your getting at? They let the media talk about the game, so what? The game is less then 2 months away, they want people to start talking about it. Plus they can only show a total of 15 minutes of footage. And break the record? They want as many people to login at that one point so they can see how the server will handle it. They are still polishing shit up for launch, as you can probably tell if you have been in the beta.

You're saying it's not a beta because the media can talk a bit about it and because release is 2 months away? That's your only argument?

"I am not criticizing the game becuase i want to talk shit, im criticizing hte game because i want it to improve and i refuse to give it a free pass like so many other people are doing."

If you want to improve, why not suggest improvements? This post is nothing but complaints. Want to criticize? Give constructive criticism at least.


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How is this not a beta? Stress testing is the final thing a developer does and if course they are going to be working on it right up to launch week. Developers put a massive amount of stress onto their own servers on purpose, trying to glitch them and crash them so they can fix it before they launch the real game. You've obviously never been part of a beta test before because you have no idea what you are talking about.


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(February 9th 2014, 05:48 PM)Epicfailville Wrote: You've obviously never been part of a beta test before because you have no idea what you are talking about.

oh ok, lets be completely dismissive because thats an easy way to win over a disagreement.

pretty lame and immature.

now you all know as well as i do that this game is up for a rough launch and it doesnt have to be. the bugs in the game, the lag spikes the hit detection issues, etc etc etc, this game is heading in a scary direction.

i personally am A ok with waitng up to 6-8 months for improvement. i fully expect a buggy launch with server issues and SLOW content updates due to the nature of triple A hollywood talent voice actors.

the question is: are you?

lets stop denying it, its goign to happen, this will be one of the worst mmorpg launches in history if it continues going the way it is. But im ok with that. im ok with waiting 6 months for ZOS to get their shit togehter. Theyve got a great framework built, they just need to fill i nthe obvious cracks.

the concern is that a good 70% of the player community is not ok with that. they will call foul, trash talk ZOS and quit this game, then they will linger in the forums trash talking the game even though theyve unsubscribed and uninstalled the game!

come on people, anyone who has been in the last 8 mmo launches can back me up on this!!

TESO is no different, stop giving it a free pass just for the sake of it. there are OBVIOUS problems and you all need to be PREPARED for a rough launch. thats all im saying.

(February 9th 2014, 05:19 PM)Infamous Wrote: I don't see what your getting at? They let the media talk about the game, so what? The game is less then 2 months away, they want people to start talking about it. Plus they can only show a total of 15 minutes of footage. And break the record? They want as many people to login at that one point so they can see how the server will handle it. They are still polishing shit up for launch, as you can probably tell if you have been in the beta.

You're saying it's not a beta because the media can talk a bit about it and because release is 2 months away? That's your only argument?

"I am not criticizing the game becuase i want to talk shit, im criticizing hte game because i want it to improve and i refuse to give it a free pass like so many other people are doing."

If you want to improve, why not suggest improvements? This post is nothing but complaints. Want to criticize? Give constructive criticism at least.

you said so yourself man, right HERE that you YOURSELF are concerned about the game:

(February 9th 2014, 05:08 PM)Infamous Wrote: It's got great potential, and I hope ZOS makes the right decisions going down the road. I am concerned for the state of the game come release though, hopefully it will be all polished and ready by that time.

"concerned for the state of the game" man you wanna talk me down when you cant even with a straight face tell me this game is completely where it needs to be.

hypocrite.
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