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Remember in skyrim where if you picked a Nord you were forced to join the political body of the Stormcloaks because you're a Nord?

Or if you picked imperial then you automatically because part of the empire against the rebellion!

Or when you played as an Altmer you were part of the Thalmor.

Hey do you remember all those wars we've had before. Especially the most recent when we went to war with Iraq and all of a sudden every Iraqi citizen or immigrant in America got shot or captured.

No? Because it didnt happen. Your race does not predetermine your political affliction.
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Hey, it's alright to have different opinions. What's not is when you call out on people when they don't agree with you. Some of us are bothered by the decision taken by ZoS and that's our prerogative, so please respect it and refrain from making accusatory posts.


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Well on that note the 'opinions' I've seen have been accusations against ZOS. Stating they did it wrong. Its lore breaking. They will lose money. They made a mistake. They're idiots. They're money grabbing. I could go on.

I'm simply stating that such restriction does not apply to previous TES games nor does it apply to the real world. I'm not 'insulting' them or telling them they're wrong. I'm simply pointing out a fact that they may have previously overlooked.
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think the any race any alliance is the worst idea ZoS have had.
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(January 30th 2014, 01:27 AM)bwadark Wrote: Well on that note the 'opinions' I've seen have been accusations against ZOS. Stating they did it wrong. Its lore breaking. They will lose money. They made a mistake. They're idiots. They're money grabbing. I could go on.

I'm simply stating that such restriction does not apply to previous TES games nor does it apply to the real world. I'm not 'insulting' them or telling them they're wrong. I'm simply pointing out a fact that they may have previously overlooked.

They already divided the playerbase into three factions. Back then there was an outcry among the Players. There your Argument of everyone should be able to do what ever they want would have applied. (and lore and stuff and logic)

Now, when the three factions are established and widely accepted among the Players, they suddenly screw it and say, everyone is able to do everything they want... if they pay for it.

Firstly, Zenimax is Money grabbing. And no Argument of high production costs can veil the fact that Players are milked. (I will Play in anyway, but I am Aware, I am being milked)

And secondly, which is far worse, Zenimax is inconsistent with iis decisions.

And thirdly: Can a Dwarf in WoW join the Horde? Can a Mechari in Wildstar join the Exiles? No. Because it´s game mechanic that they can't. Race choice determines faction choice. That´s how it works in any other MMO, and TESO is a MMO.


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Just because I don't like something that has happened doesn't mean I am a 'hater'
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Yea I mean now that it is in I am fine with it because of how Skyrim worked around races. I initially was like "You have got to be ****ing kidding me", I was %50 like wtf? and %50 excited about the announcement. Now I have joined a AD PvP guild as a Dunmer, I think it will be interesting.

I am a TES fan, my avatar has Dram holding a knife to Cyrus from a TES spin off game that I fell in love with. I have put massive hours into both Morrowind and Skyrim. I do not take the lore in mmo's too seriously, I really don't, I never have in any mmo. After WotLK in WoW I for sure stopped giving any crap, but never read quest logs to begin with anyway. I PvP, the race itself and the PvP is what matters for me in this game.


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This is gold. I love how folks who have been fiercely defending the faction locked races are now telling people that any race any alliance is a good thing.

Based on my observations, hypocrisy runs rampant in ZOS fanbase.
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(January 30th 2014, 01:55 AM)Darkley Wrote: Just because I don't like something that has happened doesn't mean I am a 'hater'

I didn't start this post to specifically target you. Nor anyway who disagrees with the decision that was made. I'm mainly targeting against the haters and ragers that poison the mmo community by reacting befracesthinking out of anger from their disagreement.

As started before rage happened when it was first announced and rage is happening now. However they're not saying you can be in any faction if you pay for it. It's if you preorder the game. If you're on the forums in going to assume you're going to preorder.

Comparing the racial decision next to other games such as wow or wildstar is pointless. Since the lore itself explains the racial differences and in most cases the races don't have a choice. Due to racism. In TES this has never been a factor.

Money grabbing? Well forgive them for being a business and note those decisions are publisher decisions.

Also anyone that doesn't want to play a Nord in DC. You don't have to. Most people will stick with the race choice and faction choice and be set solid. That's still a thing! If your friend's have been split between factions. Well now you can all be on the same faction. That's now a thing. This is also a pre order only thing. So eventually these few races in different factions will become few and far between and create a nice occasion of bumping into a race you don't normally see.
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Money grabbing. Yes. That Thing has been lenghty discussed in the payment model threads. Where one conclusion was that TESO Players will be milked. Like WoW Players. That, though, has nothing to do with a high price of buying, or even a higher prize for Imperial Edition.

Anyway, there was rage when they announced the Player Division and three factions. Now everyone is quite fond of the factions and race locks. The rage now is justified (unlike the first rage). Even if it´s for a short time that such Thing like a Breton in AD are possible.

And it´s not pointless comparing a MMO to another MMO. To what else should they be compared? It´s an elder scrolls game, yes, but it also is a MMO. Don´t Forget about that. And either you have faction locked races, like WoW or you have no factions at all like Guildwars. These are the two ways a game developer can choose from. That has nothing to do with lore but gameplay. And even from lore Point of view it is justified to have the factions race locked.

Zenimax is now muddling in the middle. Atleast it will be only a short time. Lorewise it´s a nightmare (Dunmer fighting side to side with Altmer) and from gameplay Point of view it´s also a nightmare, probably the worse one.

Anyway. To discuss this here on your thread, with the title that you choose for it, makes me feel awkward. Because the title already implies that only haters are addressed.


Who controls the Septim crown?
Who keeps the Allesian Heresy down?
We do, we do

Who knocked Yokuda off the maps?
Who keeps the Dwemer under wraps?
We do, we do

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I think the "pick any alliance" works well for single-player games, but I have to admit that it causes problems in RvR. How severe, we don't know, but I think the possibility is there that the answer will be "immersion breaking" if the alliance hoppers won't be in a clear minority.

I have to say that what could be good for PvE is more likely than not to be bad for RvR. I hope to be wrong.

I hope they won't be selling the Explorer's Pack in the game shop and that the influx of alliance hoppers will be limited to those who pre-order.
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(January 30th 2014, 03:57 AM)Idriar Wrote: Money grabbing. Yes. That Thing has been lenghty discussed in the payment model threads. Where one conclusion was that TESO Players will be milked. Like WoW Players. That, though, has nothing to do with a high price of buying, or even a higher prize for Imperial Edition.

Anyway, there was rage when they announced the Player Division and three factions. Now everyone is quite fond of the factions and race locks. The rage now is justified (unlike the first rage). Even if it´s for a short time that such Thing like a Breton in AD are possible.

And it´s not pointless comparing a MMO to another MMO. To what else should they be compared? It´s an elder scrolls game, yes, but it also is a MMO. Don´t Forget about that. And either you have faction locked races, like WoW or you have no factions at all like Guildwars. These are the two ways a game developer can choose from. That has nothing to do with lore but gameplay. And even from lore Point of view it is justified to have the factions race locked.

Zenimax is now muddling in the middle. Atleast it will be only a short time. Lorewise it´s a nightmare (Dunmer fighting side to side with Altmer) and from gameplay Point of view it´s also a nightmare, probably the worse one.

Anyway. To discuss this here on your thread, with the title that you choose for it, makes me feel awkward. Because the title already implies that only haters are addressed.

I don't believe a subscription fee is 'milking' the players. It's a set amount. Each month that you can budget for. Unlike free to play models with paywalls, pay to skip grind and various other items in cash shops which can cause overspending for an individual. I method I've grown to distaste.

As for your MMO comparison. What you're saying is they have 2 options. Factions or no factions. That is a really dim outlook imo. Yeah they haved danced in the middle with the preorder race unlock and god forbid they made a bold decision to mix things up a bit. I don't think it hurts lore at all. You're thinking about the deep well thought out histories and traditions of a particular race and forget about the exception to the rule. All the races are sentient and self aware and are able to make there own decisions including ones that go against their race. Not only that but there was a clear divide in numbers. EP having the most players and DC having the least. AD suspected to have a tank issue because none of the races are built for tanking so tanks would of picked a different faction.

Now things might mix up a bit. It might balance things out. Its made it a little bit more unpredictable. Not to mention the biggest thing of all. You don't have to it! You personally don't have to pick a race and put them in a different alliance. But you might see a Dunmer chilling out with an Altmer while questing together because they're best friends IRL having a good time and you're screaming inside MY IMMERSION! Well here is a spoiler alert. If seeing another race breaks your immersion then get ready for naked dancing. Noob jumpers. Zergs and people say lol a lot. MMO's don't create the most immersive gamea of all times.

Being on the side of being against it will be only end badly because it won't change. Its been announced and despite people hating it. Other people love it. The people who take the game with a pinch of salt. Seeing the posts of hate and rage will just make people sad. However seeing posts going omfg this is awesome this is why. Make a better atmosphere. At the end of the day acceptance will make you enjoy the game more.
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I find it odd people are complaining since they've been asking for this since the game was announced.

Why can't I play Imperials?

Why can't I play the race I want and still play with my buddy who wants to play a different race in another faction?

Well now you can. Why are you still complaining?

*shakes head confused*
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I am a bit new in world and lore of ES ... but I see the point that Bwdark is sayin... whell if you disagre with your leader whay to fight for him? go somwhere what you like and get in war with the side you chouse and you belive...
youst my humble opinion... like I say I am a bit new in this game maybe cos of that I look difrent on this play any race in nay aliance
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(January 29th 2014, 11:55 PM)Sienna Wrote: Hey, it's alright to have different opinions. What's not is when you call out on people when they don't agree with you. Some of us are bothered by the decision taken by ZoS and that's our prerogative, so please respect it and refrain from making accusatory posts.

All hail Sienna.

I'm just going to re-post the gist of what I and some others already posted on TKO's site.

@Infamous said there that if this was their plan all along, they should have announced that from the beginning. I agreed, and replied with:

What has happened now is that for over a year people have been getting stoked and pumped up over the Alliance-idea. Now it suddenly feel obsolete, like a different game with a whole new philosophy. It's mostly the shock. If they wanted it to be so liberal, they should have announced it from the start.




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