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How would an inhabitant of Tamriel discover that they have access to magical power?

Would they, as a child, accidently burn down the barn while throwing a tantrum? Or in a fit of grief over a lost pet, would they manifest their innate ability to heal, reviving the recently dead pet? (total necromancer :P) I think after scenarios such as these, one might realize that they have magical abilities.

Or would it be more likely that all inhabitants have innate magical ability but the manifestation of those magic powers would depend solely on schooling and training? Would it be feasible for someone to be able to teach themselves to wield magic?

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I would assume that "discovering" magic ability would be a moot point, since anyone can do magic in Tamriel. It just requires the person to study in order for the magic to be useful.

At least, that's what I believe. It's possible that individuals with excessively strong Magicka when they're young may accidentally do any of the things you describe, but I would think it to be fairly rare.
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(January 29th 2013, 09:33 PM)DragonTyrion Wrote: I would assume that "discovering" magic ability would be a moot point, since anyone can do magic in Tamriel. It just requires the person to study in order for the magic to be useful.

At least, that's what I believe. It's possible that individuals with excessively strong Magicka when they're young may accidentally do any of the things you describe, but I would think it to be fairly rare.

Okay. Do you think not having access to formal training would result in access to fewer overall spells? Spell power? Both?
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As every Elders scrolls char in the recent games started with the spells healing and fire, you could assume that with a certain age or maturity the basics of magic are revealed to one. Of course on Tamriel there is magic, and the people there know of magic. So why not be curious as teenager and try to set a pile of hay on fire? Fire and healing seem to me very instinct and basic spells that could have been the first spells ever learned by the mortals.

But you can choose to learn more about magic, or not.

In many regions of Tamriel magic is suspected to be something bad. This has only cultural reasons.

In Skyrim for example, it is stated that the dragon priests or arch mages around Shalidor discreditted the use of magic among the common people to be a elitary circle of mages with fewer possible enemies.

The main reason for discrimination of magic is cultural. The Redguard dismise Illusion and summoning spells, but they do cast destruction.

It´s something about stubborn backwoodsmen who are afraid of little children shooting fire from their hands. But of course it is useful for a fantasy society to reduce the number of magic users by discrimination. It also reduces the number of necromancers, warlocks and evil mages.

Just a thought ;)
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The way I see it, magical ability in the Elder Scrolls is kind of like musical talent. Pretty much everyone can technically do it, most can at least do it kind of competently if they practice a bit (but many don't bother because they have other things they need/want to do), a decent-sized minority can become good enough to make a living off it, but there's a few who have a natural ability that makes them really good at it. So take stories of how people learn music and discover their talent for it, and apply it to magic, and you probably have a good idea of how it goes.
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Thanks for the input!
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its an odd topic to ask because there is actually not too much about it.
one thing id like to emphazise is that magic is alot more common in tamriel than we are led to believe in the games.

It is not like in some low fantasy novel where your child is the odd one out for spuring flame jets out of their noses.
And while the fact that our player character knows magic from the start is more for gameplay values rather than an indication of the fact how widespread magic is, it still says a thing or two.
the most important thing is that the use of magic varies greatly from province to province. interchanges with ritualistic tendencies of the cultures, the cultures own biases and knowledge as a whole.

Just like we assumed that everyone in the middle ages was a bufoon with no way of getting educated. we assume that most people in tamriel are oblivious to magic. But the parallel is there.
Basically learning magic is like going to a higher school in the middle ages. In the middle ages. That meant you either had to be a noble or in the church. In backwater provinces like skyrim it is quite the same thing.
People distrust magic (just like people always distrust knowledge) but they still view it as an integral part of the world, opposed to a scary freak of nature.
The nord have tendencies of blaming many things on magic. Just like people always like to blame the elites.

The Fact of the matter is. magic in tamriel enables people things like space travel and surgery ,t hings that were perfected or invented very late on our earth. this is one of the primary reasons for the medieval stasis in tamriel. why would you invent gunpowder if you can simply have an army of battlemages that blasts your enemy to kingdom come and has no consumption of ammo or any of the tendencies to backfire such as cannons of old had (then again, thats not correct because there actually is gunpowder in tamriel, its just not common for exactly that reason)

From the tales we know of the world. We can say only a few things for sure. For example. There used to be a mages guild in almost every province of tamriel. Thats a thing. magic was always a part of life. Alot more than education was in the european middle ages.
Secondly, we know that even primitive cultures like the reachmen practiced magic in ritualistic fashion. Also we know that more advanced cultures that work different than human cultures use it alot more. Decemus Scottis argonian account points out that every argonian is at least adapt in the use of Illusion magic, meaning that magic as such as an extremeley different place in argonian culture. More of a tool than eldritch knowledge. Each nord ruler implies a court mage. It all comes together.

Now this is speculation, but in a magic heavy culture such as the sumurset isles, i would be heavily suprised if life was even possible there without the use of magic, the idea of the Thalmor warriors all beeing capeable of magic heavily enforces this view.
Id imagine the sumurset isles be more magitek opposed to skyrims low fantasy.

So what i am getting at. I dont think you would have this superhero story esque initiation of suddenly bursting flames out of your ears. while there might be some people that are initially adapt at magic, like there are people that are talented at anything.
Becoming a mage is a choice, ackin to going to a higher education in our world.
There realy isnt much more to it than that. The true eldritch potential of Aurbis lies in its metaphysics rather than magic...
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Well, technically i also want to add, magic is like math equations, every one can do them but some gifted people and with lust for knowledge are bather at it then others, Mages of Temriel are like "nerds", and casting simple flame spells or heal spells is as simple as multiplication table or solving simple algebra equation like 3x+6y=18, consuming mana in the process which comes from Aetherius.
That is why spells in Tamriel come in book form, what is does is explain to you how to use "formula" of that spell, the harder the spells is the more complex is "equation" of the spell. Even now days with all of the technology there are many people who don't even know 5th grade of Math, the same could be applied to Temriel considering its in dark age setting even less people would be educated.
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By the way, how about priests and clerics in Tamriel? Do they also use Magicka to do their healings and blessings? Magicka is said to come from Aetherius. That´s were it is also said the Aedra dwell. In the Mage´s guild in Skyrim who can say, that you want to study the mysteries of Aetherius as reason you seek entrance. So...

Do magicans and priests use the same kind of Magicka?

That would be very poor, as is would put Magic and the numen of Gods into the same drawer.

On the other hand it is stated, that gods themself can do miracles in places where they´re strongly worshipped. Maybe prayers and sacrifices of common people are in fact "transfers" of their unused Magicka resources to the Aedra, who aren´t able to intervene on Tamriel directly, as they lost a huge amount of their power by forming mundus. Also they are bond to some kind of pact.

So I could think of Gods use the believe and worshipping "energy" which is in fact Magicka, to some point, to commit their miracles. But they aren´t allowed to intervene directly. So they can just "bend" the free Magicka in a short period of time, and limited range, e.g. in the major temples, and at special religios holidays there, or simply if someone prays to their shrine. That´s why blessings from shrines doesn´t hold very long, and permanent blessings you only get through making big quests for the Gods, to increase their power, so that they can powerup you.

Of course with this concept they strongly distinct from the Deadra.

So what do you think? Do magicans and priests use the same kind of Magicka?


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Who knocked Yokuda off the maps?
Who keeps the Dwemer under wraps?
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well magic comes from aetherius. i think you can do the math.

But before you ask. Mysticism and Restoration are just schools of magic, they are not more divine than any other.
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I thought it was said that the magicka that is used by the races of Nirn is the or comes from the remnants of Magius' spirit?
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its actually alot easier than that. when magnus left, he ripped a hole in the sky. (or by the leaper devil king leapong according to a more amusing and obscure tale of alduin) and from this hole in aetherius the essence leaks in. We regard this hole (the sun) as magnus, but it was just created by him
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@Idriar the "world" was made from magica by Aedra, magica is a "type" of energy and since E=mc^2, we know energy is related to mass. What i am trying to say that there is only one type of magica that people use to cast spells, by casting spells they manipulate world around them by converting magica into somthin. Depending on how you "convert" magica you get different results, like fire frost lightning. Different Schools of magic (aka destruction restoration alternation) represent different ways to convert magica. Fun fact did you know Yokudans, aka Redguards, before coming to Tamriel they wielded Earth Magic? And some scholars theory's that it is how there continent got suncked, some one abused Earth magic for revenge and sunk there continent Yokuda.

(January 31st 2013, 04:58 PM)Sordak Wrote: its actually alot easier than that. when magnus left, he ripped a hole in the sky. (or by the leaper devil king leapong according to a more amusing and obscure tale of alduin) and from this hole in aetherius the essence leaks in. We regard this hole (the sun) as magnus, but it was just created by him

Oh,you forgot to mention when other Aedra follow him they ripped smaller holes which we call now "starts" that is why different consolation haw so much effect on Temriel.
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(January 31st 2013, 05:03 PM)Ewan Wrote: @Idriar the "world" was made from magica by Aedra, magica is a "type" of energy and since E=mc^2, we know energy is related to mass. What i am trying to say that there is only one type of magica that people use to cast spells, by casting spells they manipulate world around them by converting magica into somthin. Depending on how you "convert" magica you get different results, like fire frost lightning. Different Schools of magic (aka destruction restoration alternation) represent different ways to convert magica. Fun fact did you know Yokudans, aka Redguards, before coming to Tamriel they wielded Earth Magic? And some scholars theory's that it is how there continent got suncked, some one abused Earth magic for revenge and sunk there continent Yokuda.

(January 31st 2013, 04:58 PM)Sordak Wrote: its actually alot easier than that. when magnus left, he ripped a hole in the sky. (or by the leaper devil king leapong according to a more amusing and obscure tale of alduin) and from this hole in aetherius the essence leaks in. We regard this hole (the sun) as magnus, but it was just created by him

Oh,you forgot to mention when other Aedra follow him they ripped smaller holes which we call now "starts" that is why different consolation haw so much effect on Temriel.

but i would be missing out the star orphans there wouldnt i?
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