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So, this was a totally unintentional find. I was looking for something completely different and stumbled across this, but before I start, I just want to make sure everyone knows the considered Human races of Tamriel are Imperials, Nords, Redguards, and Bretons.

This is a direct quote that I copied and pasted from Brief History of the Empire v2: "When Cassynder assumed the throne upon the death of his mother, he was already middle-aged. Only half Elven, he aged like a Breton."

Now, Cassynder Septim was the fourteenth Emperor of Tamriel. He was born in 3E 147 and died in 3E 202 due to poor health, making him 55 years old at the time of his death.

In that excerpt it said when he assumed the throne upon his mother's death in 3E 199, he was already a middle aged male because of how he "aged like a Breton." At his mothers death, he was 52 years old and middle age for a Human is considered to be from 40 to 65 years old.

Some may say that the problem with TES books is that they aren't fully reliable because they are written by the writers point of view and influence. As true as that is, it is hard to think that listed dates of deaths and births could be subject to a writers point of view. Numbers are factual.

Others may say that when the author wrote "aged like a Breton" that it could be his point of view which, in my opinion, is another highly unlikely factor. We has Humans living on Earth live among millions of species other than our own. We know each breed of dog's life expectancy as well as most other species on the planet. To say that an Imperial would not know the life expectancy of a Breton is ridiculous. As an intelligent being, you wouldn't share a continent with nine other races and not know how long they normally live.

Another thing to note is that Cassynder was not a Breton. He was a mixed race. His mother, Katariah Septim, was a full blooded Dunmer and his father was a half Imperial, half Altmer by the name of Pelagius Septim III (though he was mainly considered Imperial by the Imperial race). Feel free to look up their lineages. This fact shows that Cassynder actually had more Elven blood than Human blood, but still "aged like a Breton."

The key point is that he "aged like a Breton" and was middle aged at 52. And again, of course one race is going to know the life expectancy of any of the other races. So, in conclusion, I think it is pretty solid evidence that the life expectancy of a Breton is, in fact, around the exact same as the other Human races which we know to be anywhere from 80 to 100 years, just like their real life counterparts; us.

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By analyzing another part of the same excerpt, it may shed some light on the life expectancy of Elves, though this part is VERY debatable.

The excerpt says, "Only half Elven, he aged like a Breton." Above, I deduced that the Breton life expectancy is around the same as the other Human races. I would like to think that in the context the quote was used, I see it as saying this: "Though he was only half Elven, he still only aged like a Breton." This could possibly imply that Elven middle age is far beyond that of the Human races, but I'll let your mind ponder on that piece on its own for a while.

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Now let's discuss! Criticism is most definitely welcome, just please don't go about it in a hateful or nasty way. :)
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Redguards are also a human race. This is just speculation, but is it possible "aged like a Breton" is a positive thing? Everyone seems to think it implies Breton's dont live as long, but from context couldnt it imply Bretons live slightly longer than men? I only ask because he was "middle aged" at 52 and we are considered middle aged at around 40.


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(April 18th 2013, 05:43 PM)Tyrvan Wrote: Redguards are also a human race. This is just speculation, but is it possible "aged like a Breton" is a positive thing? Everyone seems to think it implies Breton's dont live as long, but from context couldnt it imply Bretons live slightly longer than men? I only ask because he was "middle aged" at 52 and we are considered middle aged at around 40.

Yep, definitely forgot the Redguards, I'll fix that.

As for us being middle aged, there isn't a distinct number, per se. It's an age window, if you will. It varies sometimes, but it always comes down to between 40 and 65 years old.

Here, check this out: "According to Collins Dictionary, this (middle age) is "... usually considered to occur approximately between the ages of 40 and 60".[1]The current edition of the Oxford English Dictionary gives a similar definition but with a shorter span: "The period of life between young adulthood and old age, now usually regarded as between about forty-five and sixty." The US Census lists middle age as including both the age categories 35 to 44 and 45 to 54, while prominent psychologist Erik Erikson saw it ending a little later and defines middle adulthood as between 40 and 65. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the standard diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association, used to define middle age as 40–60, but as of Edition IV (1994) revised the definition upwards to 45–65."

If Bretons could live to be older than the other Human races, then that would be just fine! Makes no difference to me, really. Though after my research, I just can't see it happening.


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So pretty much there is no difference between any of the man races' life spans? Bretons are just better attuned to magic and that's that?


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(April 18th 2013, 06:09 PM)Tyrvan Wrote: So pretty much there is no difference between any of the man races' life spans? Bretons are just better attuned to magic and that's that?

Seems to be the case to me, honestly. Each just have their different niche, a Breton's being better attuned to magicka.
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I don't see why the magic is a factor here. Of course if one is a scholar in restoration this one probably will live more, but to a entire race this type of anomaly isn't a example. And, to be fair, even with the aptitude for magic, the bretons aren't a race known by have great mages, mostly population aren't scholars, just people who have some aptitude but don't evolve it.
So, to calculate a human life span, magic is irrelevant.
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(April 18th 2013, 08:44 PM)MARPJ Wrote: I don't see why the magic is a factor here. Of course if one is a scholar in restoration this one probably will live more, but to a entire race this type of anomaly isn't a example. And, to be fair, even with the aptitude for magic, the bretons aren't a race known by have great mages, mostly population aren't scholars, just people who have some aptitude but don't evolve it.
So, to calculate a human life span, magic is irrelevant.

The link to magic is mostly from the belief that elves live longer because of their strong magical power.


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(April 18th 2013, 09:00 PM)Knightmare Wrote:
(April 18th 2013, 08:44 PM)MARPJ Wrote: I don't see why the magic is a factor here. Of course if one is a scholar in restoration this one probably will live more, but to a entire race this type of anomaly isn't a example. And, to be fair, even with the aptitude for magic, the bretons aren't a race known by have great mages, mostly population aren't scholars, just people who have some aptitude but don't evolve it.
So, to calculate a human life span, magic is irrelevant.

The link to magic is mostly from the belief that elves live longer because of their strong magical power.

To the both of you, I didn't reference magicka in my main post because I really don't know that it has anything to do with prolonging life. It's just known that of the Human races, Bretons are better with magic.


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(April 18th 2013, 09:47 PM)Orlanden Wrote:
(April 18th 2013, 09:00 PM)Knightmare Wrote:
(April 18th 2013, 08:44 PM)MARPJ Wrote: I don't see why the magic is a factor here. Of course if one is a scholar in restoration this one probably will live more, but to a entire race this type of anomaly isn't a example. And, to be fair, even with the aptitude for magic, the bretons aren't a race known by have great mages, mostly population aren't scholars, just people who have some aptitude but don't evolve it.
So, to calculate a human life span, magic is irrelevant.

The link to magic is mostly from the belief that elves live longer because of their strong magical power.

To the both of you, I didn't reference magicka in my main post because I really don't know that it has anything to do with prolonging life. It's just known that of the Human races, Bretons are better with magic.

I agree, my point is to the @Tyrvan's post here. :\
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Aged like a Breton means he aged like a Humans.

Bretons are Humans. and thus Bretons age like humans.

Also no bretons are not *better* with magic. Evidently nord are by them having more noteable mages (bretons having none)
Bretons are simply more talented at it.
Doesnt mean better. And as it stands all noteable human mages have been Imperial or Nordic.
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I haw this huge probe with all of this, as far as we know we dont haw nay "definitive" prove of life expectancy of any race, since they said "aged like Breton" why most of the people interpret it as bad thin?
If they were referring to him aging as human why not say "Aged like Human" or "Aged like Impirila/Nord/Redguard", why was it Breton the key word.
And we do know for a fact that any "Wizard", aka any one who practices magic, ages more slowly and lives longer, that is if he dint die from unnatural causes.
Oh one more thin, is it possible the use of word "Aged" as referents to there development, say some people develop faster or slower, can "aged" refer to "body" changing proces, one would imagine elven body takes longer time to reach "maturity", but in case of Bretons they haw there own pace, so "aged like Breton" is it possible it meant his "body" developed at same rate as Bretons do. This is sincere question.
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(April 19th 2013, 11:13 AM)Ewan Wrote: I haw this huge probe with all of this, as far as we know we dont haw nay "definitive" prove of life expectancy of any race, since they said "aged like Breton" why most of the people interpret it as bad thin?
If they were referring to him aging as human why not say "Aged like Human" or "Aged like Impirila/Nord/Redguard", why was it Breton the key word.
And we do know for a fact that any "Wizard", aka any one who practices magic, ages more slowly and lives longer, that is if he dint die from unnatural causes.
Oh one more thin, is it possible the use of word "Aged" as referents to there development, say some people develop faster or slower, can "aged" refer to "body" changing proces, one would imagine elven body takes longer time to reach "maturity", but in case of Bretons they haw there own pace, so "aged like Breton" is it possible it meant his "body" developed at same rate as Bretons do. This is sincere question.

I think the reason Breton was specifically mentioned is simply for the fact they were talking about having Elf blood, which out of the Human races, I only know of Bretons having.


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(April 19th 2013, 11:45 AM)Orlanden Wrote:
(April 19th 2013, 11:13 AM)Ewan Wrote: I haw this huge probe with all of this, as far as we know we dont haw nay "definitive" prove of life expectancy of any race, since they said "aged like Breton" why most of the people interpret it as bad thin?
If they were referring to him aging as human why not say "Aged like Human" or "Aged like Impirila/Nord/Redguard", why was it Breton the key word.
And we do know for a fact that any "Wizard", aka any one who practices magic, ages more slowly and lives longer, that is if he dint die from unnatural causes.
Oh one more thin, is it possible the use of word "Aged" as referents to there development, say some people develop faster or slower, can "aged" refer to "body" changing proces, one would imagine elven body takes longer time to reach "maturity", but in case of Bretons they haw there own pace, so "aged like Breton" is it possible it meant his "body" developed at same rate as Bretons do. This is sincere question.

I think the reason Breton was specifically mentioned is simply for the fact they were talking about having Elf blood, which out of the Human races, I only know of Bretons having.

But... if bretons haw/had "Elf blood" shouldn't they live longer then average human, in which case the reference "age like breton" actually makes sense, since this would imply Bretons haw different aging process then other humans, but they dont, which leads me to belive that "mix blood" has no actual effect on aging... ok now i am confused :S .

So far, for me, the idea that Bretons "age" in different way then other humans and haw the life expectancy the same as other humans, makes more sense. Or I my be totally delusional and writer used "age as Bretons" term as completely random human race, or he has special feelings regarding Bretons.
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(April 19th 2013, 04:09 PM)Ewan Wrote:
(April 19th 2013, 11:45 AM)Orlanden Wrote:
(April 19th 2013, 11:13 AM)Ewan Wrote: I haw this huge probe with all of this, as far as we know we dont haw nay "definitive" prove of life expectancy of any race, since they said "aged like Breton" why most of the people interpret it as bad thin?
If they were referring to him aging as human why not say "Aged like Human" or "Aged like Impirila/Nord/Redguard", why was it Breton the key word.
And we do know for a fact that any "Wizard", aka any one who practices magic, ages more slowly and lives longer, that is if he dint die from unnatural causes.
Oh one more thin, is it possible the use of word "Aged" as referents to there development, say some people develop faster or slower, can "aged" refer to "body" changing proces, one would imagine elven body takes longer time to reach "maturity", but in case of Bretons they haw there own pace, so "aged like Breton" is it possible it meant his "body" developed at same rate as Bretons do. This is sincere question.

I think the reason Breton was specifically mentioned is simply for the fact they were talking about having Elf blood, which out of the Human races, I only know of Bretons having.

But... if bretons haw/had "Elf blood" shouldn't they live longer then average human, in which case the reference "age like breton" actually makes sense, since this would imply Bretons haw different aging process then other humans, but they dont, which leads me to belive that "mix blood" has no actual effect on aging... ok now i am confused :S .

So far, for me, the idea that Bretons "age" in different way then other humans and haw the life expectancy the same as other humans, makes more sense. Or I my be totally delusional and writer used "age as Bretons" term as completely random human race, or he has special feelings regarding Bretons.

I'm kind of lead to believe that mixed blood doesn't affect on how long someone lives, but at the same time, no one will truly know until Bethesda or ZOS releases some form of Life Expectancy Info to the public.


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There's another thread dedicated to talking about life expectancy of races, with a lot of flushed out information right here: http://www.tesof.com/topic-life-expectancy-of-races


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