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First Person, NO HANDS: 1st vs. 3rd Discussion


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According to this podcast
http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-sho...wimmo-130/
Minute 22+

It seems you can put it in First Person but you are not going to see your hands and weapon... just like every other MMOs.
Zoom in, Zoom out, thats it.

Quote:The Elder Scrolls Online will use normal MMO camera angles.

That’s right. You can zoom in on your character, but you will not be able to see your hands or weapons. There are a couple of reasons they could have decided to do this. Time and effort seem like good reasons. Or perhaps it’s a technical thing in regards to how MMOs are played.

In other TESO news, the main story is completely instanced and you will not be able to share the experience with other players. Good news for Elder Scrolls fans and bad news for the general MMORPG populace?


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First person view is terrible for in game awareness.


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That's lame :/ Not sure how I feel about this game now without proper 1st person.


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First Person View is nice, it's nostalgic, but remember, this is The Elder Scrolls Online, not The Elder Scrolls VI. I'm probably going to be the target for a witch hunt for saying it, but I don't want first person view in this game to be viable. It will encourage too many people to play using it, and there is no way (short of giving everyone a rear-view mirror) that it is as effective during a fight as 3rd person. In town, RPing with friends, sure, that's fine, that's great, but I don't want to group with someone in a dungeon or RvR who refuses to not use it and gets flanked all the time. Go ahead, spread your hate, I'm just thinking about the longterm effects that this will have on the game.


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(February 3rd 2013, 07:23 AM)Lamentz Wrote: First Person View is nice, it's nostalgic, but remember, this is The Elder Scrolls Online, not The Elder Scrolls VI. I'm probably going to be the target for a witch hunt for saying it, but I don't want first person view in this game to be viable. It will encourage too many people to play using it, and there is no way (short of giving everyone a rear-view mirror) that it is as effective during a fight as 3rd person. In town, RPing with friends, sure, that's fine, that's great, but I don't want to group with someone in a dungeon or RvR who refuses to not use it and gets flanked all the time. Go ahead, spread your hate, I'm just thinking about the longterm effects that this will have on the game.

But if people prefer playing in first person view isn't it up to them to risk their flanks? If you won't use it, and others do, it doesn't exactly effect your gameplay.. It just takes away a view that many many elder scrolls players use and want in TESO.
I personally intended to play pretty much wholy in first person, it's just more immersive and entertaining for me.


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(February 3rd 2013, 07:27 AM)The Black Swordsman Wrote: But if people prefer playing in first person view isn't it up to them to risk their flanks? If you won't use it, and others do, it doesn't exactly effect your gameplay.. It just takes away a view that many many elder scrolls players use and want in TESO.
I personally intended to play pretty much wholy in first person, it's just more immersive and entertaining for me.

What people do on their own time is up to them, I don't care if they like getting shanked all the time, I'm just saying that if I'm in a group where we have a problem being flanked because one guy refuses to use 3rd person mode because it's less "immersive" I'm going to have a problem. I'm personally not going to discriminate based on that fact alone, but if results show that their results are unsatisfactory and they are using first-person, I'll kindly ask them to switch to third. If they refuse, I'll consider kicking them or leaving the group if they continue to make the same mistakes (only if the mistakes are directly related to first-person, obviously they could just be a bad player). That's just a personal thing. I wish I didn't have to have this mindset, but I'm not risking the gametime that I pay for to be wasted on a stubborn fool.


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@Lamentz Exactly, 1st person is fine apart from when things happen that aren't directly in front of you.

Which is like all the time.
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(February 3rd 2013, 07:42 AM)Lamentz Wrote: What people do on their own time is up to them, I don't care if they like getting shanked all the time, I'm just saying that if I'm in a group where we have a problem being flanked because one guy refuses to use 3rd person mode because it's less "immersive" I'm going to have a problem. I'm personally not going to discriminate based on that fact alone, but if results show that their results are unsatisfactory and they are using first-person, I'll kindly ask them to switch to third. If they refuse, I'll consider kicking them or leaving the group if they continue to make the same mistakes (only if the mistakes are directly related to first-person, obviously they could just be a bad player). That's just a personal thing. I wish I didn't have to have this mindset, but I'm not risking the gametime that I pay for to be wasted on a stubborn fool.

Fair enough but I find first person more fun and would play in that view dispite what anyone tells me, not cause I'm stubborn but because I love playing in first person. At the end of the day the game is for fun, but saying that doesn't mean I don't play as skillfully as I can. I think you're exagurating on first person being that dangerous to play in, it's not that hard to see where your enemies are..
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I'm a weird dude and played Third Person most of the time anyways.
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But then how can you shoot bows or throw weapons, or even aim skills for that reason?!
I don't understand why they decided to do this... I have mixed feelings. I mostly feel sorry for my friend because he really wants to play in 1st person like in Skyrim. Maybe a mod/texture pack/skin?


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(February 3rd 2013, 08:05 AM)The Black Swordsman Wrote: Fair enough but I find first person more fun and would play in that view dispite what anyone tells me, not cause I'm stubborn but because I love playing in first person. At the end of the day the game is for fun, but saying that doesn't mean I don't play as skillfully as I can. I think you're exagurating on first person being that dangerous to play in, it's not that hard to see where your enemies are..

I find the danger in how big the FOV is. If we can have a huge FOV, First-Person may be fine except for the occasional flank. But if its confined to, say, Skyrim's default, it won't provide a big enough cone of vision for many situations, mainly PvP.


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(February 3rd 2013, 09:51 AM)Lamentz Wrote: I find the danger in how big the FOV is. If we can have a huge FOV, First-Person may be fine except for the occasional flank. But if its confined to, say, Skyrim's default, it won't provide a big enough cone of vision for many situations, mainly PvP.

Yeah I understand your worry, but the way it's looking you won't have to worry about first person anyway xD I really hope it's in the game though.


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(February 3rd 2013, 07:23 AM)Lamentz Wrote: In town, RPing with friends, sure, that's fine, that's great, but I don't want to group with someone in a dungeon or RvR who refuses to not use it and gets flanked all the time.

So don't. The only problem here is that you, for obscure reasons, expect to group with people who don't want to play the game your way and then you want to force them to play the game your way.

That's one of my criteria for people I don't want to group with and I could name dozens more. What do I do about it?
I don't group with those people.


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its lie, it was in Pre ALPHA that you couldn't see hands, because it was not ready yet, they were still working on it, by the time of open beat you will be able to see hands and weapon, well at least that is what they said.
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(February 3rd 2013, 11:14 AM)Skrofler Wrote: So don't. The only problem here is that you, for obscure reasons, expect to group with people who don't want to play the game your way and then you want to force them to play the game your way.

That's one of my criteria for people I don't want to group with and I could name dozens more. What do I do about it?
I don't group with those people.

I can see we're very different in our preferences, I get that. But while you exalt yourself above me by saying that you simply don't group with pompous assholes such as myself, we're actually the same. When do you find out that you don't group with these people? Do you grill them with questions upon invite? Do you quit as soon as they show their true colors? If you're group leader, do you kick them when you decide they don't fit your playstyle? Because that's just how it works, just for different reasons. Obviously we have different criteria, but the fact is, people don't group with people for the same reason, their views on gameplay don't align. I'm an ass when it comes to who I play the game with. The point is, I don't want to play the game that I paid good money for with people that detract from the experience for me. I'm not entitled to things the developers don't add to the game, but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to enjoy what they did add, and when other players make me frustrated and annoyed and it has nothing to do with me, I see no reason to not deal with the problem.

I probably made myself sound extremely temperamental and elitist, firing off kicks and ignores like it's nobody's business, but I actually do what I can to amend an issue before I act out in a manner that would make people hate me. If there is a problem with knowing how something works, I make sure everyone knows what's going on, and can confirm that they know how to approach the situation but, if someone refuses to learn or adapt to a situation and continuously does what they want to when it hurts the group, I will not hesitate to kick or leave depending on what my position is. I'm not asking people to play my way, I'm asking them to play in a manner that makes the experience enjoyable and worthwhile for everyone. It's not my problem if someone gets offended if I point out the fact that their methods don't work. That is all.

As for the FPV vs. TPV aspect: I'm obviously not going to know if someone is using one or other unless they tell me. I haven't had to deal with this issue in MMOs before, so I more or less just threw it in to the formula for finding out what the problem is in the event of a wipe. First I identify the problem (subject A is getting stabbed in the back unawares), then I identify the cause (A) he wasn't paying attention, or B) he was in FPV and couldn't see the assassin) Next I divine knowledge about the mishap (I ask him blatantly: "are you using FPV?") I decide whether or not the issue is still a problem now that they know where I'm going with this (Let's assume he doesn't) So I tell him that being in TPV is beneficial for this encounter and that it would benefit us all if he were to switch to it for this fight. If he complies, great, problem potentially solved. If not, I gently ask him again. If not, I warn him that I will kick him if he doesn't comply. If he still refuses, I kick him. That's an explanation, two friendly requests, and one warning. Seems fair enough to me. Any questions?
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