Geographically - We're doomed

This is all my opinion and is subject to interpretation. Additionally, many of my points can be seen only valid from a role-play standpoint.


To begin, the Daggerfall Covenant overall places 2nd in terms of land mass, the Pact being the first, and finally the Dominion last. However, let us first take a look at the areas which will be available at release. Additionally, the capitols of each alliance are outlined by a white star.


Why are we doomed, you ask? Well, the capitols of both the Dominion and the Pact, are not only inland, but settled in harsh environments. However, Daggerfall is in a "mild" climate, meaning that anyone could easily survive without prior conditioning. Not only that, but Daggerfall is conveniently placed right by the sea for any open invasions.

Even though this may not have any effect in game, one would think that in a REAL war, it would be a feasible task to overtake the city without much exhaustion.

What are YOUR thoughts? Let me know!

this isnt a real war :/

Wait so we can only be in the colored areas?

(August 15th 2013, 11:54 PM)Fritodelay Wrote: Wait so we can only be in the colored areas?

At the moment, yes.

In a realistic war yes the DC would be at a major disadvantage as the AD and EP both have their capitols in extremely harsh environments.

DC seen to have a lot of Disadvantage

Yes like having a small amount of land mass a easily accessible capitol rear surrounded by coast the list goes on.

Actually, all of what you said is only relevant from a role-play point of view, though I do hope TES will see us one day explore the seas.

For the sake of discussion though: its a salvageable situation. Clearly it's not the best and in a real situation the DC would need a far superior navy to protect their vulnerable capitol, or else risk losing their city very early on. The same navy could also serve to provide transportation for the Covenant's own invasion force, protect sea trade routes, create supply lines to invasionary forces near the coast and stop the enemy from doing the same.

If we think about it, it's a wonder they aren't already represented as a naval power. They have Hammerfell, which means they have all its adventurers, sailors and potentially some of their pirates. Additionally, the Bretons, being the traders that they are, should have by now caught on to the idea of sea trade. The Orcs are the exception, preferring to have both feet on solid, motionless ground.

With the sea secure it becomes MUCH harder to get our Capitol and a defense, or offensive, can be staged at this point.

(August 15th 2013, 09:53 PM)Shadowfox Wrote: This is all my opinion and is subject to interpretation. Additionally, many of my points can be seen only valid from a role-play standpoint.


To begin, the Daggerfall Covenant overall places 2nd in terms of land mass, the Pact being the first, and finally the Dominion last. However, let us first take a look at the areas which will be available at release. Additionally, the capitols of each alliance are outlined by a white star.

Why are we doomed, you ask? Well, the capitols of both the Dominion and the Pact, are not only inland, but settled in harsh environments. However, Daggerfall is in a "mild" climate, meaning that anyone could easily survive without prior conditioning. Not only that, but Daggerfall is conveniently placed right by the sea for any open invasions.

Even though this may not have any effect in game, one would think that in a REAL war, it would be a feasible task to overtake the city without much exhaustion.

What are YOUR thoughts? Let me know!

To Shadowfox

You have brought up some very good valid points.

My intel on that is depends on the Daggerfall Covenant.
All of this depends on whether we can get along and work together or not.

Generally speaking if your outnumbered by 2 Alliances. Division will serve no purpose but furthering our Demise. Ebonheart may have some young people but they also have Vets on there side as well.

So saying Ebonheart only have young people is not fully true.

At the end of the day. I feel its going to come down to whom our Leaders are. Whom our Raid Leaders are.
I will like to help out with that endeavor.

ReVeaL

Now you haven't taken into account their situation which is fine but the sea could be either a massive advantage or a massive disadvantage, in real war of course. Now if the Covenant sustained a pretty large navy then I'm sure this would be a advantage because the amount of possible port locations and trade could generate income and the ability to launch vessels and attack its foes. Now if the DC had the biggest navy with decent admirals then I think the DC would be the dominant power on the waves. I live the navy, you people may not know it but navel warfare is my favourite and its whole history is just brilliant, from Rome to Britain the navy has played a massive role in every empire. On the Cyrodiil front I think we have the best position.

(August 17th 2013, 12:02 PM)Thomas Bérard Wrote: Now you haven't taken into account their situation which is fine but the sea could be either a massive advantage or a massive disadvantage, in real war of course. Now if the Covenant sustained a pretty large navy then I'm sure this would be a advantage because the amount of possible port locations and trade could generate income and the ability to launch vessels and attack its foes. Now if the DC had the biggest navy with decent admirals then I think the DC would be the dominant power on the waves. I live the navy, you people may not know it but navel warfare is my favourite and its whole history is just brilliant, from Rome to Britain the navy has played a massive role in every empire. On the Cyrodiil front I think we have the best position.

While I agree totally on the advantage/disadvantage of the sea I have to say I think the EP have the best location on the Cyrodil front as if we go from Blackmarsh (Argonia), there are no factions within a reasonably long distance. The DC may unfortunately have the worst position as they are surrounded on two sides-the AD on the left the EP on the right.

And about the navy situation the Bretons had one of the best navy's in Tamriel at one point however the Aldmeri have a especially strong navy the EP have the Dark elf navy which is mainly composed of warships and raiding vessels with the occasional Nord ships and Argonian vessels.

(August 17th 2013, 12:11 PM)ragnar-ice blood Wrote:

(August 17th 2013, 12:02 PM)Thomas Bérard Wrote: Now you haven't taken into account their situation which is fine but the sea could be either a massive advantage or a massive disadvantage, in real war of course. Now if the Covenant sustained a pretty large navy then I'm sure this would be a advantage because the amount of possible port locations and trade could generate income and the ability to launch vessels and attack its foes. Now if the DC had the biggest navy with decent admirals then I think the DC would be the dominant power on the waves. I live the navy, you people may not know it but navel warfare is my favourite and its whole history is just brilliant, from Rome to Britain the navy has played a massive role in every empire. On the Cyrodiil front I think we have the best position.

While I agree totally on the advantage/disadvantage of the sea I have to say I think the EP have the best location on the Cyrodil front as if we go from Blackmarsh (Argonia), there are no factions within a reasonably long distance. The DC may unfortunately have the worst position as they are surrounded on two sides-the AD on the left the EP on the right.

And about the navy situation the Bretons had one of the best navy's in Tamriel at one point however the Aldmeri have a especially strong navy the EP have the Dark elf navy which is mainly composed of warships and raiding vessels with the occasional Nord ships and Argonian vessels.

Thanks for the info now on the Cyrodiil front our position can be amazing or awful depending on the scenario. I think it's fine if we hold Skingrad and have relatively good defence on the EP front.

I'm playing an Orc...so might as well help someone who's DC.

In my opinion, it doesn't really make sense why there isn't naval warfare. I suppose because it's not "TES", but in a war like this, one would think that ships would be quite a valuable asset. Not to mention, how would the High Elves get across to the mainland? Via Dragon?

(August 17th 2013, 07:20 PM)Shadowfox Wrote: In my opinion, it doesn't really make sense why there isn't naval warfare. I suppose because it's not "TES", but in a war like this, one would think that ships would be quite a valuable asset. Not to mention, how would the High Elves get across to the mainland? Via Dragon?

That's a brilliant point, but I think for one navel warfare in games is VERY hard to do and would be the most time consuming programming session for the game and I think one its not TES, two not enough people are really interested in the sea and three it costs too much money.