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Hello again friends, I got a question which is aimed at the lovely ladies of this site but i would also like an answer from the guys as well!

the question is

What makes a good/bad female character?


The reason i want to know this is because i would like to create some female character and i want to do them justice. The games i see these days show females in such a negative light its unreal (and no i'm not a feminist :P)

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All this talk of stereotypes have got me thinking of a new question

What is a Stereotypical woman?

Please don't look at any one elses answer when answering this question. I want it to be your honest answer. It can be as sexist as you please, i wont mind i just want to see what every puts as their answer.
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In my opinion, what makes a good female character (to me at least), is a woman/girl who doesn't follow the stereotypical lines (the same I could say for male characters). The damsel in distress, the femme fatale, the superwoman... It's all been done. It's fine to use those concepts as a mere basic to start off with, but it's very important to give your lady something quirky and special, especially because in today's games female characters are often blatantly put in a certain niche (one look at TERA chicks and you know what I mean, though that's an extreme example).

I'd say, give her weaknesses if you create her as a strong person, and strengths if she's an innocent one. Give her flaws to not make her too beautiful, dare to give her uneven eyes or a broken nose. The same goes for her abilities, skills and character - give her things the beholder would not expect. Give your warrior-chick an embarrassing secret, she might be afraid of the dark and still sleeps with her teddybear. And your innocent, doe-eyed damsel might secretly be really good with a slingshot.

In short, dare to make her special. It will make her more real. This world isn't populated with super-skilled supermodels either ;)




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Thank you ^-^

Well a character i had in mind was pretty (not stunning or beautiful but she was very pleasing to the eye) but due to being a warrior she has scars, broken nose and other battle injuries, this she doesn't mind; she has had a husband and got married (he has unfortunately been killed in battle) so she is not interested in attracting other males and/or females, her only interest is her duty and her child (she is by no means a mother in the typical sense but as mother all the same). She also wears FULL plate mail. covering every part of her body so nothing like ---> http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n246/...91a162.jpg *shudder*.
But yeah i do not want to fall into the traps of stereotypes and thinking of weaknesses is always fun ^-^ but i'll need to think of some and i do like to surprise the 'viewer' hmmm i'll have a think

and yes .... sadly the world isn't populated my super-skilled super models :'c (but a man can dream :P)


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To have a good woman character she needs to be the self dependant, individual, just the same as a man, despite women often being better... *sneaky grin*... Don't make her more pretty then a normal woman, don't even make her pretty! If you do you will just be following the stereotypical, pretty, dumb, relies on men type of woman that there should not be! That's my opinion though, you don't have to follow my advice...


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This completely depends on opinion and the skill of thew writer. For example, thousands of people love Katniss Everdeen. She has all the attributes that Miasmador says above. However, I cannot stand her. Maybe because her individuality is over compensated because she is a girl, but mainly because she's a moody, self-righteous, short-sighted idiot. Of course, that's my opinion...

Don't get me wrong, there are hundreds of good, independent female characters: e.g. Arya Stark (A Song of Ice and Fire), Eowyn (Lord of the Rings). However that doesn't mean you always have to make a strong female character. Bearing in mind, many settings are conservative and don't like independent women. That means they have to use more subtle means of getting what they want, like subtle manipulation and intelligence/cunning: e.g Cecily Cardew (Importance of Being Earnest) and Hermione (Harry Potter).

Often female characters are used as a romance option for the male lead/lancer. I prefer never to think of it that way. For example, Torchwood has the male lead having a romance with another guy! One woman dies before anything can happen and the other has a romance which has only a few effects on the plot.
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Pah, Katniss is better in the books, they make her by far too pretty in the films. Now Arya is a good example of an awesome woman/girl. I agree with most of what Iogairn says, including the you don't always have to make a strong female character yet most men are strong men, not all, but most. Also, don't just have a woman who constantly tries to attract men! We don't need men in that way! Basically, don't go for a stereotypical woman! That stereotype is wrong, completely.


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Katniss is irritating in all forms. Besides, what do you mean by a stereotypical woman?


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Pretty, weak, dumb, etc. You know.


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An example please. The fact is, you have to avoid stereotypes in all cases. They make for boring, one-sided characters.


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Sansa, at the beginning of Game of Thrones, 'I want a knight to come and carry me away to the land of damsels in distress and princesses!' Katniss, apart from her skill with the bow, of course.
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(May 25th 2013, 11:39 AM)Miasmador Wrote: Sansa, at the beginning of Game of Thrones, 'I want a knight to come and carry me away to the land of damsels in distress and princesses!' Katniss, apart from her skill with the bow, of course.

I don't think Sansa is even vaguely stereotypical. In fact, there are very few female characters that are as utterly clueless (at least in the first few books) as her in any other fiction I've read. Never heard of this Katniss, so I can't comment.

A personal fav female character is Brienne. One of the few things I enjoyed about the Fire and Ice books, she's actually a stereotypical male knightly character, except that she's a woman.

(May 25th 2013, 11:35 AM)Iogairn Wrote: An example please. The fact is, you have to avoid stereotypes in all cases. They make for boring, one-sided characters.

I'd have to disagree. Stereotypes exist for a reason, probably because of the way the subject of the stereotype is raised culturally and socially. You can't avoid them, and trying to do so simply makes your character not believable.
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Brienne is awesome, no argument. Slightly dumb, loyal, reminds me of a dog... Though she is one of the most honest, trustworthy characters in the book. If not the most.


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(May 25th 2013, 01:32 PM)Thorfinn Wrote:
(May 25th 2013, 11:39 AM)Miasmador Wrote: Sansa, at the beginning of Game of Thrones, 'I want a knight to come and carry me away to the land of damsels in distress and princesses!' Katniss, apart from her skill with the bow, of course.

I don't think Sansa is even vaguely stereotypical. In fact, there are very few female characters that are as utterly clueless (at least in the first few books) as her in any other fiction I've read. Never heard of this Katniss, so I can't comment.

A personal fav female character is Brienne. One of the few things I enjoyed about the Fire and Ice books, she's actually a stereotypical male knightly character, except that she's a woman.

(May 25th 2013, 11:35 AM)Iogairn Wrote: An example please. The fact is, you have to avoid stereotypes in all cases. They make for boring, one-sided characters.

I'd have to disagree. Stereotypes exist for a reason, probably because of the way the subject of the stereotype is raised culturally and socially. You can't avoid them, and trying to do so simply makes your character not believable.

I think there is a difference between stereotypes and themes. There are many recurring themes but they intertwine with each other to create a character. Stereotypes, on the other hand, can be summed up in one sentence.


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A lesson i have learnt "stereotypes are easy to follow but remove depth from a character". They might be right but i don't think they make a good character
Stereotypes don't always make believable characters also. For example the stereotype of a gay person is vastly VASTLY wrong! It was made in a age of fear and hatred towards homosexuals. I live with someone who is Gay and he is NOTHING like the 'sterotype' at all he just fancies men.


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(May 25th 2013, 01:32 PM)Thorfinn Wrote: I'd have to disagree. Stereotypes exist for a reason, probably because of the way the subject of the stereotype is raised culturally and socially. You can't avoid them, and trying to do so simply makes your character not believable.
So a non-stereotypical women who doesn't depend on looks and men in not believable?


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