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I'm Surprised No One Has Mentioned This. A Threat To ESO? Enter Camelot Unchained


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As you all know, ESO is appealing to the DAoC fans, with its three-faction, RvR-style PvP system, which is the successor to Dark Age of Camelot, and Matt Firor, leader of ZOS, was a co-founder of Mythic Entertainment, the makers of DAoC. But, the term
"co-founder" implies that there was more than one, and now, fellow co-founder of Mythic Entertainment, has just announced a game that he will be making; Camelot Unchained (working title). Why is this a threat to ESO?

Well, as many of you know, ESO has often chosen to alienate some of it's more "single-player" minded PvE players from former ES games, in favor of the RvR-loving DAoC fanatics from days gone by. And this is a great move, but what if many of these people choose to go to a game, that's set once again, in the Authurian Legends, and features the same RvR system found ESO?

Just to be clear, CU hasn't started development yet, it's going to be launching a Kickstarter on March 1st, which is looking to raise the first 2 million dollars, and after that, Mark, and some other investors will put in another 3+ million, and ultimately, they're looking to make the game for between $5-$10 million. By comparison, ESO is being made for $300 million, but DAoC, was made for only $2.5 mil.

So why is it a threat? Well, it was announced 4 days ago, and already, it's #2 in the Most Anticipated Games in Development, on the Home Page of MMORPG.com (right behind ESO). It's also the third most popular game on the week, and 9th most popular game of the month, again, after being announced only 4 days ago.

Basically, the game, while not actually being a "DAoC 2", will still have basically the same 3 factions (but they're called Tuatha De Danann, Camelot, and Vikings, as opposed to Hibernia, Albion, and Midgard respectively).

If you haven't yet seen the trailer, you can check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-iIhorxqEg

I think once this game goes live, ESO will lose quite a bit of it's DAoC support, and as much as I've been backing ESO, fists in the air, since it was first announced back in May, I feel a bit torn here, cuz as much as I love ES, and ESO seems to be the next big thing, I always have that itch to get back into the Authurian Legends we knew and loved back in the day.

However, ESO will be out later this year, and while Camelot Unchained seems to want to get its Kickstarter backers in during the early phases (maybe in as little as 6 months after development, in the early alpha phases), they'll still be a good amount of time gap between ESO's launch, and the first time you can get your hands on Camelot Unchained...

Anyways, I guess I'm just going to have to wait and see, play ESO when that comes out, and then play CU when that comes out, and see which is the greater...

I guess this is kind of a good dilemma, as less than a year ago, I'd lost hope that a good MMO would ever rise again, and here we are, not 10 months later, and there's 2 awesome MMO's, both the two most anticipated games on MMORPG.com, AND both charges being led by two separate co-founders of Mythic Entertainment... can't complain.
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Ive looked at it, i wouldnt see it as a competitor and more as somethign that could probably be doing those things ESO isnt doing (but should be doing)
Im looking forward to it, we as the consumers, can only win from having competition dont you think?
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Honestly there is no telling how good either of these games will be after final production, all we have is high hopes. Camelot Unchained only has a title to work off of at this point and there is no sense if getting wrapped up about the concept of a game and who is behind the production. From my experience, games will fall on their own sword if they are not worth the public's time and not as much a better product on the market. The market is absolutely overloaded with MMORPGs at this point and several of us play more than one at a time. The title and who is backing the title is very interesting, but my interest begins and end there until there is more development released. ESO has been a work in progress for years and UC just started, if they are release the titles name and its existence already, I have reason to believe the game will be rushed. Are we forgetting about the MMO giant Blizzard Entertainment is supposedly targeting 2014 for the release of their next MMO. This is still just speculation, but games like that would also have a technical "threat" to any other game on the market. ESO has a rich story and large fan-boy group backing the game...I think the numbers will stay up there if the game is quality.
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Mentioned this game in a POVP thread talking how the PVP is going to be great because it has a DAOC dev...and I pointed out Warhammer and this game........

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Dosent look like it will be in the same class as ESO


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(February 18th 2013, 01:48 PM)grimmjow Wrote: Dosent look like it will be in the same class as ESO

Not true, necessarily. While it does have a much smaller budget, DAoC was made for 2.5 million, and WoW for 100 million, ask anyone who's played both those games which is superior. I actually thought DAoC was higher budget for the longest time, till I found out only recently how low-budget that game was. The guys a Mythic REALLY knew how to stretch a budget, that's for sure.

Ans while ESO has a $300 million to throw around, they're spending a lot on things like voice acting, lore, pretty shading effects, etc, and while CU probably won't have that stuff, it can still win out simply with superior gameplay.

Though I have to agree with Sordak above, I really think the consumer can stand to gain from this new competition, I'm just worried that ESO will lose a lot of it's DAoC audience to CU, though I am massively excited for CU... Since I don't know who to route for, I guess we'll just have to wait and see who makes the superior game...


Matt Firor vs. Mark Jacobs...


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There are things you have to take into consideration.

TESO has a lot more publicity.
TESO has not only a large portion of MMO fans awaiting it, but an even larger single player base.
Just because people liked a game in the past, doesn't mean if they make a new game it will be any good.
Budget is a very very big thing in the gaming world.
The only time a game with a low budget beats a game with a high budget is when the low budget developers are more passionate and aren't bound by deadlines.

I do believe CU has potential to be a great game, I just believe that it will if anything, get pushed into the shadow of TESO.


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The background to cu looks boring


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All the more games, the better. That's always been true. I used to play many games when I worked parttime and my hubby still does. When I played alot, DAoC no more threatened LOTRO than DDO or SWG .. and that was when most of them were paid subscription games.

I see this as no threat to TESO but an addition to the game stable if it is good. I told my hubby about the difference in cost before he saw the trailer and he said 'something like the art will suffer.' Then he noted the silhouette nature of the trailer art and pointed that out.

Still we will definitely keep an eye on it.


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Meh..

I enjoyed DAoC back then, but who know this wll be the same game, even if it has a Dev of old. I will keep an eye on it sure, but not going to get all crazy since there's really nothing, but a video saying "Go to kickstarter, support us."
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(February 18th 2013, 05:34 PM)recklessvirtues Wrote: Meh..

I enjoyed DAoC back then, but who know this wll be the same game, even if it has a Dev of old. I will keep an eye on it sure, but not going to get all crazy since there's really nothing, but a video saying "Go to kickstarter, support us."

Well, the buzz so far, should be a good indication that they'll exceed they're goal. Also Mark Jacobs has a few distinct advantages, namely, he has no one to answer to, and can make the game exactly how he wants it, unlike Matt, who has to answer to Zenimax Media, ultimately. Also, because the game is so low-budget, they're able to target a niche audience, as opposed to trying to please everyone, which, if you're investing $300 million in a game, you kinda have to do...

One thing people forget however, is that Kickstarters oftentimes vastly exceed their original goals, and are also used as a set-off point for new, REAL investors, like ESO has... So, it's quite possible that this game could ultimately end up with a $20 miliion, $50+ million budget. The owner of Trion Worlds, Lars Butler, managed to get like, $180 million, in one round of funding, so you never really know, what could happen... I think this game is certainly on the right track, based on what they've said about it so far...

Ultimately, I think the No-PvE thing, is going to either make or break the game. It's going to make for an excellent game, or it's going to completely suck, we'll have to see.
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(February 18th 2013, 05:45 PM)Qallidex Wrote:
(February 18th 2013, 05:34 PM)recklessvirtues Wrote: Meh..

I enjoyed DAoC back then, but who know this wll be the same game, even if it has a Dev of old. I will keep an eye on it sure, but not going to get all crazy since there's really nothing, but a video saying "Go to kickstarter, support us."

Well, the buzz so far, should be a good indication that they'll exceed they're goal. Also Mark Jacobs has a few distinct advantages, namely, he has no one to answer to, and can make the game exactly how he wants it, unlike Matt, who has to answer to Zenimax Media, ultimately. Also, because the game is so low-budget, they're able to target a niche audience, as opposed to trying to please everyone, which, if you're investing $300 million in a game, you kinda have to do...

One thing people forget however, is that Kickstarters oftentimes vastly exceed their original goals, and are also used as a set-off point for new, REAL investors, like ESO has... So, it's quite possible that this game could ultimately end up with a $20 miliion, $50+ million budget. The owner of Trion Worlds, Lars Butler, managed to get like, $180 million, in one round of funding, so you never really know, what could happen... I think this game is certainly on the right track, based on what they've said about it so far...

Ultimately, I think the No-PvE thing, is going to either make or break the game. It's going to make for an excellent game, or it's going to completely suck, we'll have to see.


Ah. Well GW2 really doesn't have much of PvE either beside the dynamic events, game true attraction is the PvP, and still seems to hold strong. It may do well, bit I still would like to see more to really get a buzz.
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Only PVP does indeed attract a niche crowd. That excludes a lot of players who like PVE or both. SWTOR was so different and disappointing after SWG died that I certainly am not getting excited about similar titles or world themes.


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At this point in time, it's not a competitor. It doesn't even have funding yet and will be relying on kickstarter funds to even start production. Also, it's solely RvR without PvE content. Plus it will be at the very earliest 2014 before the game launches. Which makes me question the quality of the game because that's less than 2 years development for it.


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