khajiit, cats or humans

Ive been looking into the history of the khajiti, and appearently the are cats but arent cats at all at the same time
They are depicted as humans in the first TES game, and that game i asume is considered cannon
But in the later games the khajiit are cats, which i also asume is cannon

any elder scrolls expert have any theory for this?

I myself only started playing the eldr scrolls from morrowing onwards

If you ask like that...

There is a theory that the Aldmer tried to create a slave race using their own kind and some magical forces of Masser and Secunda, therefor Lorkhan. At first they were pretty happy about the Suthay and Suthay-Rath, but in other moon phases the Senche were born, odd cat creatures of godzilla seize. Still, these are Khajiit, too. But that is just an odd theory.

here comes the lore:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Monomyth

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Words_of_C...er_Ahnissi

http://www.imperial-library.info/content...-and-forms

Here you see the Subraces, missing Dagi and -Raht and non-Raht, but that´s just a difference in seize. And the Senche is far larger.



Well... all sentient living was once Elnohfay. They were turned into mortals by Lorkhan creating the world. Some Elnohfay followed Lorkhan (Men) and some the god-spawn Trinimac (Mer) as the Khajiit are connected to the moons I would say they are close to Lorkhan, too, just like the humans.

Many things were different in Arena. I think from Daggerfall on (surely Morrowind), Khajit have been related to beastfolk (neither man or mer).


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit
is a good site in general to check things in TES lore.

Here they are described as feline humanoids, I think this pretty much sums it up.

Oh the ohmes variant looks very humanoid

Thanks a lot, there arent many depictions of the different variants on the wiki sadly
And ive only seen the biped more beastlike khajiit in the later games

But it does state that the khajiit of arena painted thier faces to be more like those of thier ancestors, but the only khajiit ive seen were the more beastlike ones of the later games, which doen make any sence to me

but ill be taking a look at thoselinks now

Damn that was hard to write, my keybord is failing :/

The Khajiit may be a strain of Mer or a race that evolved from an earlier felid species. Either way, the Khajiit in the first two games were likely Ohmes or Ohmes-raht. In the later games, they are either Suthay(-raht) or Cathay(-raht).

BTW, I don't see the Khajiit as Lorkhanic. The moons haven't been confirmed as Lorkhan's body (AFAIK), but even if they were, Lorkhan was killed by Elven gods, so I would view the Khajiit as an indirectly Elven creation and more connected to the Elves.

There is a problem with the theory of the khajiit being a elven race
When the elves came to tamriel the khajiit were already there, but i think it is perfectly possible that those were different from the ones we see today
And that the elves somehow changed the khajiit to what they are in modern times

I always tough there were just quadruoed and biped khajiit, but the ohmes variant is cetrainly intresting
I am loving this lore, and it definitely increases my intrest in the prrvince if elsweyr

Also i want to play as a alfiq

Well as far as the appearance of khajiit, their appearance is directly related to the phases of the moons at the time they are born. Depending on the phases of the moons they will appear more cat like or more human like. In the rare case that the third moon appears, a khajiit born on that day, they will be known as the mane which traditionally are made leaders of entire tribes.

On their origin, it is hotly debated among imperial scholars. The most accepted theory is that they are evolved from cats like the argonians are from lizards. This theory is supported by accounts of the first aylied explorers encountering "cat-like people" as far north as the nibeny basin in cyrodiil. This theory implies that the khajiit share no common blood with men or mer and are among the original inhabitants of tamriel. (This is the theory I subscribe to)

The other theory is based on khajiit mythology. In this theory, the khajiit and bosmer are both direct descendants of a "forest dwelling people." One of the daughters of whoever was given the opportunity to alter one of the newly created races, so long as they were the quickest and most cunning. So she did but then mom got mad and punished the new race by taking their lush forests and turning them to barren deserts. The ones who stayed loyal to mom became the bosmer and the ones who were changed by the daughter became the khajiit. So in a sense they could be considered mer.

Well, it could be that the Aldmer who became the Khajiit left early or something, like the strain of Aldmer that became the Dwemer.

(July 2nd 2013, 11:37 AM)Octagonapus97 Wrote: The Khajiit may be a strain of Mer or a race that evolved from an earlier felid species. Either way, the Khajiit in the first two games were likely Ohmes or Ohmes-raht. In the later games, they are either Suthay(-raht) or Cathay(-raht).

BTW, I don't see the Khajiit as Lorkhanic. The moons haven't been confirmed as Lorkhan's body (AFAIK), but even if they were, Lorkhan was killed by Elven gods, so I would view the Khajiit as an indirectly Elven creation and more connected to the Elves.

But you have to admit, the Khajiit as race are "shattered" as they are not one race, but many in one. The moons, yes, it´s not sure wether they really are Lorkhan´s body. But Lorkhan was shattered, too. But not killed. Atleast not his heart. Which is him in some way.

The ability to have no predifined form, the form is defined in the moment of birth by the moons, seems to me to have connections to the wild hunt of the Bosmer. I would, as said, assume the late Aldmer turned some of the early Bosmer into them.

On the other hand, Vivec once stuffed a dead Khajiit into Azura´s mouth, before "attacking" her with his "muatra". He said that he gave her back one of her kind, assuming that Az`ra, Azura is connected with the Khajiit creation.

(July 2nd 2013, 10:45 AM)Idriar Wrote: If you ask like that...

There is a theory that the Aldmer tried to create a slave race using their own kind and some magical forces of Masser and Secunda, therefor Lorkhan. At first they were pretty happy about the Suthay and Suthay-Rath, but in other moon phases the Senche were born, odd cat creatures of godzilla seize. Still, these are Khajiit, too. But that is just an odd theory.

here comes the lore:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Monomyth

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Words_of_C...er_Ahnissi

http://www.imperial-library.info/content...-and-forms

Here you see the Subraces, missing Dagi and -Raht and non-Raht, but that´s just a difference in seize. And the Senche is far larger.



Well... all sentient living was once Elnohfay. They were turned into mortals by Lorkhan creating the world. Some Elnohfay followed Lorkhan (Men) and some the god-spawn Trinimac (Mer) as the Khajiit are connected to the moons I would say they are close to Lorkhan, too, just like the humans.

Good explanation Idriar :)

The wandering Ehlnofey became the humans and the Ehlnofey who settled in Aldmeris became the elves. But I'm not sure about were the Argonians are coming from, as the Ehlnofey, the Hist were also a Group of Et'adas, soits possible that the Argonians come from the Hist, in some strange way. But to go back to the Wandering Ehlnofey, they did not settle in Aldmeris, and it was the Wanderers who allied with Lorkhan, some of them settled in Tamriel, so it can be from there they came. So that would mean that they are from the same kind of Ehlnofey.

I would like to see the senche in-game, but I dont Think you would like to meet an angry Senche... :P

It would be awesome if we get to ride a senche once elsweyr is fully explorable
I am looking forward to seeing all khajiit variants in TESO, but at launch only suthay raht will be in i think :(

i want pahmar mounts..

I don't understand where people are getting the idea that Senche are so absolutely humongous. What the artist drew in that picture as a Senche looks about right in terms of size for a Senche-Raht from what I understand. The actual look of the form is off though.

For anyone who wants to know: there's an actual published book placed in Tamriel that has the character talking to a more nomadic population of Khajiit, and if I recall they used the Senche as normal mounts for travel. Can't really do that if they're as big as some people on this site seem to think they are... Can we please stop this talk of elephant or Godzilla-sized Khajiit species that I see floating around sometimes?

Edit: Found the title of it. The Infernal City by Greg Keyes. Also found http://www.imperial-library.info/content...-and-forms talking about the actual size of Senche-Raht.

Thanks for showing the Khajiit Races pic, Idriar. There are over 20 races of Khajiit; 17 are known. This is how the Khajiit tell it - the origin of their existence. Azurah was charged with creating the most beautiful, agile & viscious children of the Gods. She took a Bosmer child and improved it into the first Khajiit. Agile, cunning, intelligent, graceful, sneaky and glib of tongue - she tied the moon lattices to the lives of Khajiiti, to always guide them upon their true path. Thus the different Races of Khajiit are born at the different positions of Masser & Secunda.

Now believe that and I will tell you another one. As M'aiq would say "the only time I tell the truth is when I'm lying."

Idriar Wrote:The ability to have no predifined form, the form is defined in the moment of birth by the moons, seems to me to have connections to the wild hunt of the Bosmer. I would, as said, assume the late Aldmer turned some of the early Bosmer into them.

On the other hand, Vivec once stuffed a dead Khajiit into Azura´s mouth, before "attacking" her with his "muatra". He said that he gave her back one of her kind, assuming that Az`ra, Azura is connected with the Khajiit creation.

Your second paragraph .. on the other hand, holds the truth. That is why Vivec stuffed her mouth with a Khajiit corpse; because it was Azurah who created the glory and beauty of the Khajiit as we see them now.

(July 11th 2013, 10:57 AM)CedarLilly Wrote: Thanks for showing the Khajiit Races pic, Idriar. There are over 20 races of Khajiit; 17 are known. This is how the Khajiit tell it - the origin of their existence. Azurah was charged with creating the most beautiful, agile & viscious children of the Gods. She took a Bosmer child and improved it into the first Khajiit. Agile, cunning, intelligent, graceful, sneaky and glib of tongue - she tied the moon lattices to the lives of Khajiiti, to always guide them upon their true path. Thus the different Races of Khajiit are born at the different positions of Masser & Secunda.

Now believe that and I will tell you another one. As M'aiq would say "the only time I tell the truth is when I'm lying."

Idriar Wrote:The ability to have no predifined form, the form is defined in the moment of birth by the moons, seems to me to have connections to the wild hunt of the Bosmer. I would, as said, assume the late Aldmer turned some of the early Bosmer into them.

On the other hand, Vivec once stuffed a dead Khajiit into Azura´s mouth, before "attacking" her with his "muatra". He said that he gave her back one of her kind, assuming that Az`ra, Azura is connected with the Khajiit creation.

Your second paragraph .. on the other hand, holds the truth. That is why Vivec stuffed her mouth with a Khajiit corpse; because it was Azurah who created the glory and beauty of the Khajiit as we see them now.

Consider: Just like M'aiq Vivec is a liar ;)