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I got this idea from the topic over at the official unofficial forums.

Ok, so obviously we're not sure what type of payment model TESO is going to have - whether it's F2P, B2P, P2P. But lets just assume here that it's going to be a subscription based game. Would you be willing to purchase a lifetime sub before the game is launched?

At this point in time, it is probably not a decision most people would make, seeing as how there's a very small amount of information on the MMO. But the question still stands. Would you?

Personally, I would. I like the idea of purchasing the game once for a large price, and not having to worry about paying the monthly fee anymore. Especially if there's ever a point where I can't play the game for a large part of a month that I'm still paying for.


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It depends. I need to have played the game first, before I'd make such an investment. But when I know that I like it, I'd probably buy a lifetime sub. I bought the lifetime for STO without playing it first. I won't make that mistake ever again.


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Never. My reasoning for this is simple. Almost all MMORPGs that generally offer a Lifetime Subscription fee are bad. Only fail developers like Cryptic and Failcom generally offer this kind of model when they launch another mediocre-to-bad MMO like STO, TSW, etc. My personal take for why they choose to do this is because they do not have faith in their product and they want to maximize profits as much as they can because they don't believe their MMO will last.

I truly feel bad for all the players who paid for a Lifetime Subscription to games like LOTRO and STO only for the games to go F2P. At least LOTRO lasted a few years before Turbine made the jump I suppose. I digress. I would just be very concerned if ZOS were to offer such a model. It's a tempting offer, but it would make me question the legitimacy and longevity of the game. It would just be a rip-off if the game ended up converting to a F2P MMO within a year of its release, like SWTOR did.

Hopefully, that won't happen with ESO and I hope it will have a long and successful life cycle as a subscription-based MMO.
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Cryptic aint all bad nether is funcom.

But yeah lifetime subscriptions are generally a waste of money. Especialy if the game falls flat on its face ;)

Not to mention they will most likeley go F2P after a while anyway. Subscription based MMORPGs dont work these days. Not because people dont want to pay, but because there are so many MMORPGs out there and you cannot hoard these masses of subscriptions. Also people will NEVER subscribe to two MMORPGs at once. If i was a guy working at an MMORPG id always consider each of the potential consumers to have an active WoW subscription. And they WILL go back.

Also F2P is no more niche Asian thing. we have big budget MMORPGs like GW2 coming out with that model. How are you going to compete with that? I dont think ZOS can be that foolish not to learn from the mistakes of others (mostly SWTOR)
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You just have to offer a design close enough to WoW, or standard MMORPG for a better term, so it is easily picked up by the masses, but offer a whole different gameplay experience than the standard to make people stay and draw in even more. I think that's exactly what they're aiming for and if they can achieve that a sub model would be viable.

And I don't think that the offer of a lifetime subscription is telling anything about the quality of the game. But you are right, you've got to watch who's offering one. Cryptic certainly set up a legal scam with it. Hence the need for having played and tested the game thoroughly before blindly buying a life sub.

So even though I don't think it's a bad sign in general, it should make you cautios nonetheless should they offer one. It could be a real bargain like LOTRO or an outright scam like STO or CO.


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(August 4th 2012, 08:37 PM)Deveron Wrote: And I don't think that the offer of a lifetime subscription is telling anything about the quality of the game. But you are right, you've got to watch who's offering one. Cryptic certainly set up a legal scam with it. Hence the need for having played and tested the game thoroughly before blindly buying a life sub.

So even though I don't think it's a bad sign in general, it should make you cautios nonetheless should they offer one. It could be a real bargain like LOTRO or an outright scam like STO or CO.

That's what I believe. A game that offers a lifetime sub is definitely something you need to be cautious about. Do your due diligence on the developer before spending that kind of money on a game. I'm always a skeptic when it comes to that kind of stuff, because like Redguard King said, it's likely a way for them to maximize profit.

While that holds true for some, I don't see it as the be all and end all.

If TESO is going to have the lifespan that I hope it has, a lifetime sub would potentially save people a lot of money over the long haul, while giving a quick bit of ROI back to the developers.


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I don't buy into lifetime subscriptions offered before launch. If the game is great and I stick with it, the same amount of money for regular subscriptions as for a lifetime sub will be enough for roughtly two years based on typical lifetime sub costs. Odds are within 2 years the suits will alter the game into something I no longer want to play. If the game sucks and I don't consider it worth even ONE MONTH'S subscription, if I paid for lifetime, I'm out that money.

So I err on the side of caution at take it one month at a time. If the winds shift, I'm out $15 as opposed to $300.
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(August 4th 2012, 02:05 PM)Redguard King Wrote: I truly feel bad for all the players who paid for a Lifetime Subscription to games like LOTRO and STO only for the games to go F2P.

Thanks for your sympathy.

Nevertheless, I would buy a lifetime sub for TESO. Maybe.
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If there will be a lifetime offer I will probably buy it. I have a lifetime subscription for Lotro and it is always nice to log in if I like to and not if I have to, because I have paid money for a special month to play. Besides that I think that TESO will be worth playing it for longer than only half a year.


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(August 6th 2012, 02:46 AM)Aquiel Wrote: If there will be a lifetime offer I will probably buy it. I have a lifetime subscription for Lotro and it is always nice to log in if I like to and not if I have to, because I have paid money for a special month to play. Besides that I think that TESO will be worth playing it for longer than only half a year.

Of course, do what you want. But in this latest generation of MMOs, the likelihood of the lifetime sub not being worth the money is a lot higher. Many MMO developers seem to be forgetting what MMOs are and end up releasing single player games in a multiplayer environment. I am not saying that ZOS will be one of these. But I cannot tell you how many stories of Buyers' Remorse I have read concerning Lifetime Subs. I don't trust ANY MMO developer until/unless they actually deliver the product they promise.

Cryptic lost my subscription money because they kept promising and assuring that features and options their customers wanted would be in the nect update and conveniently pushing them back to the NEXT update. And I refuse to pay a dime in Zen to spend on their online store UNTIL every promise they made and broke has been fulfilled. Some would say they will never fulfill them? That's fine by me.

SOE lost my subscription because it took them a year and a half to decide to start developing that easier to make content that the NGE was supposed to allow for in Star Wars Galaxies.

As a consultant in matters of online game development, I have observed that many customers are fed up with being jerked around by developers in terms of content and promised features. Nearly a million people voted with their wallet on Star Wars: The Old Republic. They walked away from the game because of the very things some of us tried to warn BioWare about durring Beta, and were ridiculed by the Fanboys whose signatures included catch phrases like "In BioWare we trust..." Ironic that many of those who have left started out in the Fanboy camp...

It is my hope that ZOS really starts taking stock in what their audience is seeking. Otherwise, TESO will never live up to its greatest potential, no matter how many boxes it sells.
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(August 6th 2012, 06:34 AM)GBJackson Wrote: Cryptic lost my subscription money because they kept promising and assuring that features and options their customers wanted would be in the nect update and conveniently pushing them back to the NEXT update. And I refuse to pay a dime in Zen to spend on their online store UNTIL every promise they made and broke has been fulfilled. Some would say they will never fulfill them? That's fine by me.

To be fair (and I don't give a damn about Cryptic and their shovelware anymore), they are really small studio compared to ZOS. So, I don't think TESO will fail as hard as Cryptic with their promises.
The main problem with Cryptic were the publishers, first Atari and now, even worse, Perfect World. It's one cashgrab after another in their online store while the actual game starves for content. And there are only so many ships you are willing to buy in STO untill you realize there's nothing to do with them.
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(August 6th 2012, 07:56 AM)Faulgor Wrote:
(August 6th 2012, 06:34 AM)GBJackson Wrote: Cryptic lost my subscription money because they kept promising and assuring that features and options their customers wanted would be in the nect update and conveniently pushing them back to the NEXT update. And I refuse to pay a dime in Zen to spend on their online store UNTIL every promise they made and broke has been fulfilled. Some would say they will never fulfill them? That's fine by me.

To be fair (and I don't give a damn about Cryptic and their shovelware anymore), they are really small studio compared to ZOS. So, I don't think TESO will fail as hard as Cryptic with their promises.
The main problem with Cryptic were the publishers, first Atari and now, even worse, Perfect World. It's one cashgrab after another in their online store while the actual game starves for content. And there are only so many ships you are willing to buy in STO untill you realize there's nothing to do with them.

We also have to consider the fact that STO was previously being developed by another company that went bankrupt. This forced CBS to auction STO off to anyone who would develop it and of course Cryptic picks it up. They had a year to completely redesign a game so it was inevitable that STO was going to fail. ZOS certainly does have a lot more money and one of the more dependable publishers out there (hopefully).

Money and resources won't be the issue for this game. What will be the issue is ZOS' priority list and what they think needs to be done and polished by launch. SWTOR failed because BioWare thought they could run an MMO with story alone. I already think ESO has a better shot as 3-faction RvR has proven itself to be a reliable, dynamic, and fun system that is player-driven and never gets old.

We'll have to see what kind of payment model ZOS is looking at. I don't personally believe a Lifetime Subscription will even be an option when this game is released. It is a possibility though, although typically certain companies only tend to go that route.
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I got a Lifetime sub for LOTRO in its initial offering way back in time.

Yes, it was a great deal in terms of value, from a subscriber's money-saving perspective.

No, I don't want it offered in TESO because one undesirable effect it has is to put financial pressure to come up with alternate income as the game lives longer, eventually being a MAJOR reason why LOTRO had to go f2p.

A Lifetime subscriber certainly appeals to the core type of player, who loves the game and lore passionately hence willing to invest in that manner. But the game company makes NO MONEY from a Lifetime subscriber in a subscription model. Remember that.

In fact, the more popular a game is - and the more rabid and numerous its fans are - the more up-front Lifetimers are likely to sign up. Which means, ironically, that the most loved games are the most likely to need to go f2p 2-3 years later, since more of their player base went the Lifetimer route early. TESO would surely fit this description; LOTRO did.

From the game companies perspective, they get a quick cash injection (a large chunk pays down the development cost of the initial game, with the remaining tidy sum to invest into future content dev and running their infrastructure). So at first everything seems great, and it probably is.

Then, especially once you cross that threshold where the Lifetime lump sum payment is no longer > the amount a regular sub would pay (usually around 1.5 - 2 years in), you have a big problem. From an income POV, those Lifetimers are actually worse than people who just cancel their sub and quit playing; the players are still using networtk and server resources, still generating the need for fixes and extra content to satiate them, still complaining as active players on forums. But paying nothing.

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In the interest of having TESO stay viable and solid for multiple years of entertainment, I vote for a standard subscription model with no Lifetime account sales. Discounts for 3, 6 or 12 month subs are fine though; just no "one lump sum then nothing else ever" style sub.
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+1 RedGiant. Couldn't have put it any better.
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RedGiant i see it the other way around. This may have been valid a while back. But now since games have a tendency of going F2P extremeley rapidly. Im not feeling to get my moneys worth.

In fact. i also think that having to pay a subscription fee for a game that also has microtransactions is rediculous. especialy if its stuff you can only get with microtransactions, alot of game have stuff, be it only cosmetic, that is microtransaction based, and if there is no other way to get it, having to pay subscription fees makes me feel cheated.

i already loathe subscription fees, but i just feel like paying a lifetime subscription will end up hurting me in the long run.
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