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So right now there are no plans to release ESO on a console, but I was looking at the specs of the new PS4 and realized it very easily could be. The PS4 boasts 8 gb of ram and the equivalent of an HD 7850 among other things. Although, this can't compete with a high end gaming rig, it is a solid machine for running an mmo at high settings.

There seems to be no reason why ESO wouldn't work on the next generation consoles. I think ESO has a 6 skill bar with a button for potions which would work on a controller. Voice chat could solve the communication problem that comes from no keyboard.

Imagine how awesome it would be to have one giant megaserver not just for pc/mac but for all platforms. Xbox 720, PS4, PC, Mac all on one server. It would definitely bring A LOT of community to the world, for better or worse lol.

I've seen a lot of mmo's come and go, usually dying in the first few months because the communities are too small and can't sustain themselves after the first wave of players leave. I think merging platforms would fix that issue in many ways.

So I think I established that it can be done. It should be done if for no other reason, that it opens up millions of new customers. So why is it not done? Or do I just need to shut up and wait for the next generation consoles to come out and play the game that is already being developed with this knowledge?
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I think the servers should be separate. Consoles can't have text chat.


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Console players generally don't like MMO games, and I'd rather not have 10,000 screaming 8-year-olds.


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But... I'm a console player.... ;-;


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Consoles can have text chat, it would just be painfully slow. The most practical method to implement tolerable comminication in game while merging with consoles would be to enable voice chat. This is a good idea but would irritate people. Imagine being on a quest and stopping in a town to get supplies or whatever. You pass by a huge orc with giant ripped muscles and a 10 year old kid comes on the mike wanting to trade. That is immersion-breaking. I mean, that wouldn't bother me because I play a lot of CoD, which is infested with squeakers and quite possibly the worst community of any game EVER. I would love to merge consoles new console servers with PC and Mac servers but while the consoles are up to par specification-wise, they are not practical given the social mechanics of the game. The point is, it's not worth doing to Zenimax simply because there's not a market for it. If someone could prove to them that they could make a net profit by expanding to consoles, making more servers for those consoles (which must be maintained), and then linking those new servers to the originally planned ones without screwing with the delicate balance they've managed to find, they would totally do it. But until then, don't expect any miracles.

The world wants an MMORPG that is accessible via all gaming platforms and playable with everyone regardless of which platform they are on, but no one believes it would be worth their time to create a game like that.


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(March 24th 2013, 01:17 PM)Octagonapus97 Wrote: I think the servers should be separate. Consoles can't have text chat.

Voice chat easily fixes that problem and another implementation to take it a step further would be something similar to how our cell phones have been for a couple years. I can tell my cell phone to text my wife, "Honey I am at the store, do we need beer?" It will text her. This could work in game with various commands like say in guild chat, "What time is the Cyrodil event tonight?"

I think the lack of keyboard in this game and perhaps others to come will not be an issue with merging the console/pc servers. The merging of those platforms is where the true benefit lies. I think this is especially true with this game, since many people play TES on consoles rather than PC. The sheer number of players it would bring into one huge community would do wonders for sustaining the game through the rough patch when 30% of the population vanishes overnight.

Voice recognition software has come a long way in the last few years. Apple, google, Samsung, and Dragonspeak are all good examples of how accurate these systems can be. I have a fairly heavy southern accent and my android phone has no issues at all. The technology just keeps getting better and better. I think this will be key in merging our two worlds.

The profit is there. Anyone can see that. Hell it is probably already in the works, maybe not in ESO, but somewhere.
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(March 24th 2013, 03:37 PM)Gimpyloser Wrote:
(March 24th 2013, 01:17 PM)Octagonapus97 Wrote: I think the servers should be separate. Consoles can't have text chat.

Voice chat easily fixes that problem and another implementation to take it a step further would be something similar to how our cell phones have been for a couple years. I can tell my cell phone to text my ...

dont know how good this worked with the english language, but on many other this option was total garbage and its still not an realy well made option in the present time.

Well Defiance is an MMO which is going to be multy platform one. I dont know if the server will be seperated or not but also in this game is an Voice chat implemented and for me this was more annoying then fun to have.
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(March 24th 2013, 12:01 PM)Gimpyloser Wrote: So right now there are no plans to release ESO on a console, but I was looking at the specs of the new PS4 and realized it very easily could be. The PS4 boasts 8 gb of ram and the equivalent of an HD 7850 among other things. Although, this can't compete with a high end gaming rig, it is a solid machine for running an mmo at high settings.

There seems to be no reason why ESO wouldn't work on the next generation consoles. I think ESO has a 6 skill bar with a button for potions which would work on a controller. Voice chat could solve the communication problem that comes from no keyboard.

There's a couple reasons why this won't happen... for one, you actually have to have designed your game on an engine that is compatible with the console, or you have to design your engine to be compatible with it. The latter is a fucking nightmare - so much so that there's no way it's cont effective unless you intend on licensing out your engine...doing this for one game is laughable at best, ZoS likely can't license their engine, since it's already a very heavily modified version of Hero...as to changing engines? That's simply not feasible either.


(March 24th 2013, 01:17 PM)Octagonapus97 Wrote: I think the servers should be separate. Consoles can't have text chat.

In all fairness, they can have text chat, it just hasn't caught on. You can use the keyboard attachment for the 360, hookup a keyboard, etc. Again though, it hasn't caught on. As to separate servers? Damn straight - and the console manufacturers will usually even require this. They want you on *their* servers so they can charge you for the hosting and make the money off the subscription fee.

From a developer perspective? This divides the community [Edit: and their profits ^]. If a game doesn't have enough players, this can be life and death. If I need at least a million subscribers per system to have a lively community that will attract people, but I only have 500k on PC and 250k on xbox/ps3 respectively, everything is dead in the water. Both the PC and console bases will deteriorate until the game is simply dead in the water.

(March 24th 2013, 03:37 PM)Gimpyloser Wrote: Voice chat easily fixes that problem and another implementation to take it a step further would be something similar to how our cell phones have been for a couple years. I can tell my cell phone to text my wife, "Honey I am at the store, do we need beer?" It will text her. This could work in game with various commands like say in guild chat, "What time is the Cyrodil event tonight?"

I think the lack of keyboard in this game and perhaps others to come will not be an issue with merging the console/pc servers. The merging of those platforms is where the true benefit lies. I think this is especially true with this game, since many people play TES on consoles rather than PC. The sheer number of players it would bring into one huge community would do wonders for sustaining the game through the rough patch when 30% of the population vanishes overnight.

Voice recognition software has come a long way in the last few years. Apple, google, Samsung, and Dragonspeak are all good examples of how accurate these systems can be. I have a fairly heavy southern accent and my android phone has no issues at all. The technology just keeps getting better and better. I think this will be key in merging our two worlds.

The profit is there. Anyone can see that. Hell it is probably already in the works, maybe not in ESO, but somewhere.

Ehh, text to speech isn't there yet. When latency is important, you might not have time to wait another half a second for the speech to be converted to text. Moreover, I don't think anyone has yet invested in making a system that would work for gamers abbreviations or gameplay itself. I could just see "WTS [Epic Sword] 350G" turning into "WTS [Wrong Item] 350,000" And as much as I wish speech could just replace chat all together....global channels would sound like white noise with the occasional vulgarity of a troll.

Now, don't get me wrong...Final Fantasy has pulled off a successful run on the console. But for that one success I can think of, I could name you 5 others right now that failed miserably.

Long story short? It's not actually about the hardware or the interface. There's simply too many disadvantages from a developer and publisher standpoint right now to make it work.
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Well, of course we can have text chat, it's just a painful process. You make a good point with the keyboard attachment, though.


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