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Hello there community,

I am Rousel, a new user to the Forums and I thought a good introduction to the community would be a bit of banter!

So one thing I know as a Roleplayer is that my mind is a sponge to influence, be it from the Lore or playing the game, but I do see people hating to people who draw some aspects from out-side influences.

Now by this I do not say we all start roleplaying as a herald of the mist walkers or go join the Black Watch, but I do think any medium that is going to draw people into a Roleplaying state of mind, to remove their own personality and replace it with what ever inspires them with awe and heart throbbing amazement.

So what do you think, I'm not saying we draw in the LORE, but I'm saying don't hate on people who are maybe being inspired from GoT, because it's a visual they can draw from, where being inspired by TES has taken me years to smooth into the role.

But even in writing this it has me thinking on how we as a community will Roleplay in the game, as in tactics and the likes, some thing GoT does display well, but that's for another thread.

So shortly: Is drawing from visual arts like GoT bad for the TESO Roleplaying community, or is it a good medium to get people interested into Roleplaying?
This post was last modified: January 25th 2013, 04:31 PM by Rousel
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Well we know everyone has influences from sources outside of their current focus, whether it's from Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, or their favorite fictional series. It's difficult to avoid but it isn't something that's inherently a problem.

I think it's natural and often positive when someone tries to invoke the same sense or feeling from another piece of work. But I think the issue arises when they step beyond that and take more specific things like creatures, items, and activities that have no basis in the medium at hand.

I don't have much experience with Game of Thrones. But I think it'll be great if you like the dark and gritty theme of it and want to translate that to Tamriel. But I wouldn't try to make anything in Tamriel something that it's not; like making the Great Houses of Morrowind into a duplicate of the political rivalries in Game of Thrones.

Although since I'm unfamiliar with GoT in general; could you provide a specific example of your influences from it that you may want to translate into Elder Scrolls?


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I could argue that the Elder Scrolls has its own lore and that it doesn't need anybody else telling it how things work in its own universe.

But then you got people mucking things about 'for the sake of imagination' and giving no fucks about what's already been established. No, I'm not pointing fingers. But I've seen it happen in these forums.

So instead of being xenophobic about lore, I'll simply say that some outside sources of lore do not mix well with what's been established.


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(January 25th 2013, 05:05 PM)Rethas Othirus Wrote: I could argue that the Elder Scrolls has its own lore and that it doesn't need anybody else telling it how things work in its own universe.

But then you got people mucking things about 'for the sake of imagination' and giving no fucks about what's already been established. No, I'm not pointing fingers. But I've seen it happen in these forums.

So instead of being xenophobic about lore, I'll simply say that some outside sources of lore do not mix well with what's been established.

I agree that Elder Scrolls lore is rich and deep enough that it doesn't require cross-overs from another universe. Interesting characters and storylines can be done well with what lore is at hand. Adding things that clash with the Elder Scrolls universe makes things rough

Roleplayers will do as they wish however and they're free to do so. If I don't agree with their treatment of the lore, I'll carry on about my way.


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Hello there,

As stated, in no way am I condoning the use of exterior LORE to be bashfully inserted into TES, no, that's is wrong by all rights.

My point in this thread, of what I felt I did a well enough job at explaining is the way we interact with the world, from how a society interacts to war tactics, the idea of moving in armies and setting up camps drawn from exterior art works as a representative.
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(January 25th 2013, 05:31 PM)Rousel Wrote: My point in this thread, of what I felt I did a well enough job at explaining is the way we interact with the world, from how a society interacts to war tactics, the idea of moving in armies and setting up camps drawn from exterior art works as a representative.

I wouldn't imagine that to be a problem. Both Game of Thrones and Elder Scrolls have a realism-driven way of approaching things and I would think they'd share similar methods.

Could you give an example of how GoT society interacts?


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I can try!

Well one example is between how the Guard of the city and the common man interact and while it is not a GoT society bound thing, hell, it's as old as having social division is, but more I speak in the term of taking a visual representative and enacting it in that manner, so oppression, bullying and distrust to the Guard.
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You should have no issue with this; depending on where you go in Tamriel, you may find citizens whom have a cool relationship with the guard. If this visiual representative assists your RP, go ahead!


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I think you are slightly mistaken or I have failed to get my point across.

It is not I whom is needing the visual representative but more generally talking on the subject as a whole.
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I apologize then for my misunderstanding.

As a whole, I believe it is fine to use another universe as a relatable basis for people to become interested in Roleplaying. If it manages to inspire you in some way, I don't see any inherent issue with that.


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(January 25th 2013, 05:17 PM)Horizon Seeker Wrote:
(January 25th 2013, 05:05 PM)Rethas Othirus Wrote: I could argue that the Elder Scrolls has its own lore and that it doesn't need anybody else telling it how things work in its own universe.

But then you got people mucking things about 'for the sake of imagination' and giving no fucks about what's already been established. No, I'm not pointing fingers. But I've seen it happen in these forums.

So instead of being xenophobic about lore, I'll simply say that some outside sources of lore do not mix well with what's been established.

I agree that Elder Scrolls lore is rich and deep enough that it doesn't require cross-overs from another universe. Interesting characters and storylines can be done well with what lore is at hand. Adding things that clash with the Elder Scrolls universe makes things rough

Roleplayers will do as they wish however and they're free to do so. If I don't agree with their treatment of the lore, I'll carry on about my way.
True and fair enough.


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In a reply to the OP:

Whatever game I play, I try to always at least have a basic idea and frame ready as to what universe I'm in, what that means for my character, and what is an absolute no in said universe. I'm a firm believer of common sense, in my daily life and in roleplay. To elaborate - if you roleplay in a classical era-setting with no modern technology and medieval means at best at your disposal, you do not roleplay how your character developed a cellphone out of rock which he now uses to track down guildies and as a GPS for when he's lost.

Extreme example, but you get the gist. There is a line between being a creative roleplayer, and just ruining immersion of fellow roleplayers by being stupid. That said, over my years of RP I have found that debates about where this line actually lies end up in wars beyond mending. There are "light" roleplayers who just want to banter away in /say from time to time without much regard for the deeper layers of the lore and universe, and there are medium to heavy roleplayers who like things to be fitting at all times. Like some others in this thread, I usually end up simply avoiding a group of RPers if they break lore in a way that ruins my immersion. I don't start a debate, because at the end of the day the "RP is about being creative so don't bully me, you mean elitist"-card can always be pulled and held against me.

TLDR; in my personal opinion it's not "creative" to pull things out of thin air without anything from the lore to remotely back it up. It's just silly. But each to their own.




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