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So I stayed up late last night to watch the Sony press conference, here are my initial thoughts

We got told the specs, we got shown the controller, we got shown pretty game play videos, but they did not even show the console?? I know people don't buy a console because of what it looks like, but not even a quick shot of what it actually looks like??

Being able to play I game whilst it downloads is a good feature, and something that needed to be implemented. All console manufactures would rather you downloaded the games rather than buying physical media (larger profit margins and no second hand game market) but the time it takes to download a game has always been a barrier to this, download whilst play is a way of negating this problem.

They have updated the playstation Move, but is still behind Kinect let alone the 2nd Gen Kinect that will come with XBOX 720, so this will not be a big selling point.

No backwards compatibility, in a year or so this will not be a problem, but for launch it could be. If it does not launch with a good line up of games that initial sales could suffer. People will not buy a console if they do not want to play any of the games that are being made for it.

Unsurprisingly no price point was released, with the PS3 being over priced at launch they are going to wait to they see the XBOX 720 price point. No release date except for Holidays 2013, again not surprising and it will probably debut in Japan.

No mention of DRM, again not surprising but this will be one of the biggest points for both PS3 and XBOX. It is no secret that developers want to eliminate the second hand games market (they don't make money out of it, but retailers want to keep it. I don't think that second hand games will be stopped completely, rather the current system of paying for a 'pass' for the online content if you get the game second hand will continue.

Being able to stream, the game is a good feature, and eliminates the need to use 3rd party equipment, so expect the number of YouTube game play videos to shoot up!

Being able to spectate and even interact with other peoples games sounds interesting, but will all depend on how game developers use this feature.

In conclusion, it seemed like they were going for evolution rather than revelation, the idea of announcing first was to 'steal the march' on Mircrosoft, but even after a 2 hour presentation I am left with more questions than answers.
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I think they will reveal the console at E3, also price point, and other accessories.

think the biggest news was Blizzard Teaming up with Sony, sure they only talked about D3,
but I have a feeling Blizzard + PS4 is going to have something to do with Titan.


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I think the entire announcement was fairly underwhelming. To be fair I game mostly on PC, though I will pick up consoles to play some of their exclusives, so I will not rag on the technical side; the PS4 looks nice in a technical regard anyway, at least for a console. That being said, I have little interest in the current obsession with integrating a million devices and having every game tweet about itself and fill my Facebook wall.

The streaming is nice; the faster play while downloading is nice; however, I don't see anything making me rush out for a pre-order. I agree, it definitely seems like a PS3 with better insides, not something new and interesting. I also see a bunch of tech demos, promises, and ports so...yeah, there is that.
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What I took away from this is that ps4 will be on par with a top off the line pc, maybe slightly more future proof due to the way last gen consoles lasted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to long. The little game play they did show didn't impress me all that much. Then again I've seen crysis 3 on as high as current pc hardware can run it. Which isn't even at max settings. So I suppose after that my expectations for top tier graphics is abit higher than your average joe. But yeah, maybe once it comes out we can finally get more games that pushes the hardware front again. Was getting a tad tiresome off getting bad ports from console engines meant for old ass hardware.

The whole Move and social thing they had going I hope is optional. If I get a ps4, which is more likely than me getting the new xbox (Fuck you Microsoft). I don't want my console to predownload games it thinks I will buy without my permission as I can tell you right now that will end up it wasting alot off my internet capacity and hd capacity. And the whole thing with friends able to watch what I play and taking over my controller while I play. Not a fan off that either, and I'd say borderline creepy. Then again I like being the one in control off my gaming platform. And the move I just outright don't like for anything but casual games like mario party and the like. Which I VERY rarely play. Now don't get me wrong they are all fancy things and systems, I just hope they're optional for the reasons I mentioned and a few I didn't.

But then comes the biggest dumb idea for the ps4, no backwards compatibility to ps3 games or games on older playstation systems. Although I did see this one coming, as this has been a thing with the ps3 as well. Sucks you will have to re-buy your old titles if you wanna enjoy them on the ps4. For me personally, less off a problem as I have never before owned a playstation system.

Now, someone please correct me if I am wrong on this. But no info on 4k playback?

Anyway, besides the annoying amount off brain-dead pr speak. And not that many actual gameplay trailers, or trailers or anouncements for games in general. I'd say it was a decent reveal. Good to see they're at least going to aim for powerful current gen hardware. Combined with, hopefully optional or customizable, improved social and move features.


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I'm gonna buy one, just like I bought the ps1, the ps2, the ps3 and a psp (havent gotten around to buying a vita yet, waiting for a game that I really wanna play). I already know there are games on it I'll play (the capcom and square enix ones, the first shooter they showed dark side or w/e it was and Destiny, just because exclusive content for the ps4.) Because I'm not gonna lug my computer into the lounge room whenever I want to play games from the couch.

edit- And I am gonna stream everything.
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(February 21st 2013, 05:10 AM)Velaskae Wrote: I'm gonna buy one, just like I bought the ps1, the ps2, the ps3 and a psp (havent gotten around to buying a vita yet, waiting for a game that I really wanna play). I already know there are games on it I'll play (the capcom and square enix ones, the first shooter they showed dark side or w/e it was and Destiny, just because exclusive content for the ps4.) Because I'm not gonna lug my computer into the lounge room whenever I want to play games from the couch.

edit- And I am gonna stream everything.

Erm, lugging the pc into the living room... I thought that was what we had cables for, that and wireless controller setups. hell a long hdmi cable doesn't have to be expensive anymore. Unless you live in a house with multiple floors and/or built like a maze, then I'd understand the reasoning off that part.

As for the exclusives part, I can understand that one completely. As its one off the industries moronic ideas that they won't change any time soon, as its one off the biggest reasons why people buy the platform in the first place. Price tag off the console being the other big one. Tbh, in this day and age and with the technology available there isn't any good reasons to keep a title platform exclusive anymore. But that's kinda besides the point in this topic.

As for the streaming part, I assume you mean streaming your gameplay online. I welcome ps4 to the club off platforms that can do that. Always a good thing to get more options for it.

I do hope ps4 start out with a stronger starting line up off games than the ps3 did though. As it started out with too few games, and new ones took too long in the beginning to come out. Further optimization off the system improved that vastly, and I hope they learned enough from that not to repeat that this time.
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THe biggest thing is that both PS4 and Xbox 720 are both moving to eradicate second hand games.

For that reason alone I am not the least bit interested in either of them.
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(February 21st 2013, 07:43 AM)Ziegler Wrote: THe biggest thing is that both PS4 and Xbox 720 are both moving to eradicate second hand games.

For that reason alone I am not the least bit interested in either of them.

Pc games are heading in that direction too. Its a game industry thing, not a console specific thing


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never really been a "second hand" market for PC.
But the having to have a always on connection for single player games...well....EA cant brick your PC if you were to modify game files.
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(February 21st 2013, 01:14 PM)Ziegler Wrote: never really been a "second hand" market for PC.
But the having to have a always on connection for single player games...well....EA cant brick your PC if you were to modify game files.

Err, I know for a fact that alot off stores in my country that would take your used copies and sell them cheap back in the early days off my "gaming career". And they sold quite decently too for quite a while.


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That hasnt been the case in the US for..at least a decade I'd say. You go to a Gamestop and you might...might mind you, find 1 shelf with some used PC games on them and of that there might be a couple that are used.

Which is what MS/Sony are intending to destroy, Gamestop. I have 4 kids, three of which are teenagers, all of their friends that I have talked to, have said if they cant buy used games, or play while not on the internet, they wont get one. Now mind you, that is just anecedotal, but still, I would say that the fact that I have talked to about 20 different teens and they have all had the same reaction...doesnt bode well.

As a father of 4, I can tell you without a moments thought...I wont buy it if I cant buy used games.
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(February 21st 2013, 01:34 AM)Lasemy Wrote: Being able to stream, the game is a good feature, and eliminates the need to use 3rd party equipment, so expect the number of YouTube game play videos to shoot up!

I don't know why people are so excited about this feature. Without the support of 3rd party equipment, the game play stream output is going to be low resolution, maybe around 360x??? pixels and 15-30 fps or even lower

They are making it sound like an 8-core APU and 8GB memory is more than enough for this kind of thing. Imagine the hardware trying to power the game and the game play stream/footage at the same time. It's possible but the output is going to be in very low resolution, who really wants to upload a low quality video on youtube and who's gonna want to watch it?

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(February 22nd 2013, 06:03 AM)Ziegler Wrote: That hasnt been the case in the US for..at least a decade I'd say. You go to a Gamestop and you might...might mind you, find 1 shelf with some used PC games on them and of that there might be a couple that are used.

Which is what MS/Sony are intending to destroy, Gamestop. I have 4 kids, three of which are teenagers, all of their friends that I have talked to, have said if they cant buy used games, or play while not on the internet, they wont get one. Now mind you, that is just anecedotal, but still, I would say that the fact that I have talked to about 20 different teens and they have all had the same reaction...doesnt bode well.

As a father of 4, I can tell you without a moments thought...I wont buy it if I cant buy used games.

Well you did say "never",which is incorrect. There used to be a market for it, I remember this as I've been gaming for the last 15-17 years. Which was my point. And yes publishers wants it gone, they have been slowly working on removing it the last decade or so. Hell back at that time you could play any game at the shop for a little time to help you decide if you wanted to buy it. Something that is also less common nowadays, maybe some shops still have demo consoles with a fixed set off games in them. But they seem to be few and far between.

Personally I am against removing the used games market, not sure why that wouldn't be clear by now.

(February 22nd 2013, 10:54 AM)Tarantadu Wrote:
(February 21st 2013, 01:34 AM)Lasemy Wrote: Being able to stream, the game is a good feature, and eliminates the need to use 3rd party equipment, so expect the number of YouTube game play videos to shoot up!

I don't know why people are so excited about this feature. Without the support of 3rd party equipment, the game play stream output is going to be low resolution, maybe around 360x??? pixels and 15-30 fps or even lower

They are making it sound like an 8-core APU and 8GB memory is more than enough for this kind of thing. Imagine the hardware trying to power the game and the game play stream/footage at the same time. It's possible but the output is going to be in very low resolution, who really wants to upload a low quality video on youtube and who's gonna want to watch it?

[Image: aint-nobody-got-time-for-that.]

There are plenty off people streaming to twitch/ustream, the latter being the partner for ps4, and similar sites in 720p without having monster pc's. The growing trend for streaming in 720 and even 1080 has been that the biggest obstacle has been your upload speed to the streaming site. As for just uploading to youtube or similar, your upload speed is even less off an issue. Heck I could fraps and upload to youtube in 1080p on almost all games with no problem. Noteworthy exceptions would be powerhouse graphic games like The Witcher 2 or Crysis 3. Where I would likely need to tune the graphics down abit so not to tank the recording below 30 fps. And judging from what they have said about the ps4 its hardware will be a step or two above my pc.
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(February 22nd 2013, 02:16 PM)Terwox Wrote:
(February 22nd 2013, 06:03 AM)Ziegler Wrote: That hasnt been the case in the US for..at least a decade I'd say. You go to a Gamestop and you might...might mind you, find 1 shelf with some used PC games on them and of that there might be a couple that are used.

Which is what MS/Sony are intending to destroy, Gamestop. I have 4 kids, three of which are teenagers, all of their friends that I have talked to, have said if they cant buy used games, or play while not on the internet, they wont get one. Now mind you, that is just anecedotal, but still, I would say that the fact that I have talked to about 20 different teens and they have all had the same reaction...doesnt bode well.

As a father of 4, I can tell you without a moments thought...I wont buy it if I cant buy used games.

Well you did say "never",which is incorrect. There used to be a market for it, I remember this as I've been gaming for the last 15-17 years. Which was my point. And yes publishers wants it gone, they have been slowly working on removing it the last decade or so. Hell back at that time you could play any game at the shop for a little time to help you decide if you wanted to buy it. Something that is also less common nowadays, maybe some shops still have demo consoles with a fixed set off games in them. But they seem to be few and far between.

Personally I am against removing the used games market, not sure why that wouldn't be clear by now.

(February 22nd 2013, 10:54 AM)Tarantadu Wrote:
(February 21st 2013, 01:34 AM)Lasemy Wrote: Being able to stream, the game is a good feature, and eliminates the need to use 3rd party equipment, so expect the number of YouTube game play videos to shoot up!

I don't know why people are so excited about this feature. Without the support of 3rd party equipment, the game play stream output is going to be low resolution, maybe around 360x??? pixels and 15-30 fps or even lower

They are making it sound like an 8-core APU and 8GB memory is more than enough for this kind of thing. Imagine the hardware trying to power the game and the game play stream/footage at the same time. It's possible but the output is going to be in very low resolution, who really wants to upload a low quality video on youtube and who's gonna want to watch it?

[Image: aint-nobody-got-time-for-that.]

There are plenty off people streaming to twitch/ustream, the latter being the partner for ps4, and similar sites in 720p without having monster pc's. The growing trend for streaming in 720 and even 1080 has been that the biggest obstacle has been your upload speed to the streaming site. As for just uploading to youtube or similar, your upload speed is even less off an issue. Heck I could fraps and upload to youtube in 1080p on almost all games with no problem. Noteworthy exceptions would be powerhouse graphic games like The Witcher 2 or Crysis 3. Where I would likely need to tune the graphics down abit so not to tank the recording below 30 fps. And judging from what they have said about the ps4 its hardware will be a step or two above my pc.

I don't recall them mentioning a dedicated GPU to process graphics IIRC they had mentioned an 8-core APU. If you don't know what that is it similar to AMD's Llano technology. A console by itself running the games will likely not be able to process the work needed to record the game play in high resolutions and high frame rate.

When they said that PS4 is comparable to a high end PC, I stopped watching. It's not going to happen, people need to use common sense because the biggest obstacle is going to be the console's form factor.
To cool a high end PC you need a lot of ventilation and a well planned air flow configuration.

Console comes in small packages and there is no way to effectively cool it. So even if they have the capability to apply as much power as possible it's going to be limited. Just like "gaming" laptops that are designed for power but throttles down when the heat threshold is reached.

I have a very high end PC and I know where the bottleneck happens when it comes to recording in 1080p and 60fps. What is your normal record frame-rate in 1080p on non-powerhouse games?
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(February 22nd 2013, 02:57 PM)Tarantadu Wrote: I don't recall them mentioning a dedicated GPU to process graphics IIRC they had mentioned an 8-core APU. If you don't know what that is it similar to AMD's Llano technology. A console by itself running the games will likely not be able to process the work needed to record the game play in high resolutions and high frame rate.

When they said that PS4 is comparable to a high end PC, I stopped watching. It's not going to happen, people need to use common sense because the biggest obstacle is going to be the console's form factor.
To cool a high end PC you need a lot of ventilation and a well planned air flow configuration.

Console comes in small packages and there is no way to effectively cool it. So even if they have the capability to apply as much power as possible it's going to be limited. Just like "gaming" laptops that are designed for power but throttles down when the heat threshold is reached.

I have a very high end PC and I know where the bottleneck happens when it comes to recording in 1080p and 60fps. What is your normal record frame-rate in 1080p on non-powerhouse games?

Go watch the conference, or go to youtube and watch one off the many summaries off it.

Last I recorded anything was on my last graphics card (HD7970) which I had to get rid off due to a weird factory fault. And due to economical reason I downgraded to a 660 ti. I haven't tried to record on my current graphics card. But I'd imagine if I did I would get slightly lower fps than on the 7970. And the old one could hit 30 fps with no problem at all. And that was all I cared about since the videos I made back then I locked to 30 fps. I did hit 45+ on most new games and even 60 on some when I tested out how much I could get. Granted at that time cyrsis 3 wasn't out. But as for crysis 3 there's several youtubers out there recording it on medium - high in 1080p. And for those I know off non off them have absolute monster pc's. They do have a 680's 690's or equivelant cards though.

Long story short, if the ps4 delivers on the hardware they claim it has. People should be able to upload or stream to streaming sites up in 720 at least without too much problem. And I wouldn't be surprised if they are working on making sure it can deliver 1080p too. They would be dumb not too.

The bottom line is this. Sony wants to be competitive with even top line pc's. Even though they'll get floored within 2 year period anyway. Unless they allow for ps4's to be upgraded. Which won't happen.

And before you start yammering ps4 fanboy at me. I'm a pc gamer for life. I am however aware that the better the consoles are, the better the pc games will be. Hence I have no fear towards the ps4 actually being good. In fact I want it to be good so I don't have to deal with Shitty console ports for ancient hardware.


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