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This is a thread to discuss the Orcs and maybe learn something new about them. I have got this info from uesp, the imperial library, wikia, theelderscrollsonline.com and elderlore.wordpress.com and tried to make a summary of it.

Official info from the teso devs : Though other races often regard the Orcs as barbarians and even beasts, these noble warriors have an ancient culture forged from endless warfare in their harsh mountain homelands. Orcs live under a simple code of honor by which the strong survive and the strongest rule. As the greatest smiths in Tamriel, their weapons and armor are prized by warriors everywhere. During the reign of the Second Empire, when their kingdom of Orsinium was finally granted provincial status, its restoration helped solidify their devotion to the new Daggerfall Covenant.

Biology

Their skin tones are ranging from light green to dark brown, heavily muscular, they are also one of the tallest of the races. They also are the only race to have protruding bone Ridges and tusks. Their elven blood also gives them a good grasp and skill of magic.

History

During the exodus of the Chimer in the Merethic Era, who were leaving the Summerset Isles, Trinimac, tried to stop the movement. The Daedric Prince Boethiah, the mastermind behind the exodus, assaulted Trinimac. After a great battle. It is said that Trinimac was eaten by Boethiah (he was "devoured" by her, dont take eaten literally). All of the Orsimer people were also changed into what they are now known as, the green (and cute :P) Orcs.

After the Siege of Orsinium in 1E 980, the Orismer became just little more than barbaric monsters in the view of the Citizens of Tamriel, as they had no province to call their own. Many Orcs attempted to create new "Orsiniums" but they were destroyed Before being properly established.

In 3E 399, however, an Orc named Gortwog gro-Nagorm began reconstructing a new city for the Orsimer of Tamriel. Gortwog proved to be a skilled politician and diplomat and managed to make negotiations with Orsinium's neighbors, including Wayrest which made Orsinium thrive.

Religion and culture

Most orcs hold Malacath as their chief deity, as he is believed to be involved in the creation of the race. As such, most orcs uphold the "Code of Malacath", which is a religious doctrine as well as a code of law used in the orc strongholds.

There was a religious conflict which showed signs of becoming a big problem. The Orsimer have always worshipped the Daedra lord Malacath as their main deity. Orsinium's leader, Gortwog, however, has claimed that Malacath is in fact a fake and has set up a priesthood dedicated to the worship of the ancient Aldmeri hero, Trinimac (Trinimac was devoured by Boethiah and afterwards became Malacath).

Personality

They are elves, or mer, thereby the name Orsimer (as in Bosmer or Altmer). They are known to be exellent warriors.
Traditionally, all Orsimer mothers would teach their child how to smith from a young age (some has even said that an Orc learns how to smith in its mothers comb). If an Orc chieftain has a second wife, she is called the "Forge-wife", in honour of this. The orcs makes the finest smiths of Tamriel. The Orcs has improved the reputation in the empire by serving as warriors and smiths in the legion.

If an Orc leaves the province of Orsinium or Stronghold they're from, their surname will be the Stronghold/province they're from, prefixed with gro- (male) or gra- (female), for example, Urag gro-Bagol and Arob gra-Bagol (both from the same province).
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Awesome Alator, a dedicated Orsimer thread. I was gonna make a Orcs 2.0 but ya beat me to it ;)

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First lets get out of the way Trinimac being eaten. There are things done with the divines that there is no way a mortal mind could comprehend. When Boethiah "ate" Trinimac, this is the best way WE can describe it. Malacath has said that this is not meant to be taken literally.

Knowing this, we know that Boethiah somehow 'absorbed/digested' Trinimac, taking away powers and tranforming him to Malacath, which in turn transformed all those poor people who worshiped him into Orsimer, the old Aldmer (not Altmer.) Now what common theory suggests is Boethiah just used the word devoured because that was the closest thing he could convey to what he did. I personally believe this is true, along with perhaps using that word because it is quite spiteful for a warrior such as Trinimacto be "eaten", lol.
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@Archmage Alator, you should make this the "End all, be all" guide of orcs. When people post something, you should research it, see if its true, then add to it. So someone who wants a one stop place to be learned in all things Orsimer, they can come here!


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(May 22nd 2013, 01:30 AM)Seamus Wrote: Awesome Alator, a dedicated Orsimer thread. I was gonna make a Orcs 2.0 but ya beat me to it ;)

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First lets get out of the way Trinimac being eaten. There are things done with the divines that there is no way a mortal mind could comprehend. When Boethiah "ate" Trinimac, this is the best way WE can describe it. Malacath has said that this is not meant to be taken literally.

Knowing this, we know that Boethiah somehow 'absorbed/digested' Trinimac, taking away powers and tranforming him to Malacath, which in turn transformed all those poor people who worshiped him into Orsimer, the old Aldmer (not Altmer.) Now what common theory suggests is Boethiah just used the word devoured because that was the closest thing he could convey to what he did. I personally believe this is true, along with perhaps using that word because it is quite spiteful for a warrior such as Trinimacto be "eaten", lol.
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@Archmage Alator, you should make this the "End all, be all" guide of orcs. When people post something, you should research it, see if its true, then add to it. So someone who wants a one stop place to be learned in all things Orsimer, they can come here!

Its soooo many things on the sites and all are not the same everywere, what happened with Trinimac well, they batteled and he was defeated i have researched and i tried to make people ((non-experts on Orcs)) understand what happened, kind of. She "ate" his Powers. I am no expert on Orcs but i checked at all lore sites i knew and read all about them that i could find, and tried to make a summary of it. And i have made all the DC races threads, you can find them here at story and lore if you are interessed.

I will add more things soon i promise :D this takes hours so i want to take a break.
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Yeah, its just well and simple to say 'ate', its not wrong or anything. Just though I'd throw in something neat to dwell on.


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(May 22nd 2013, 02:15 AM)Seamus Wrote: Yeah, its just well and simple to say 'ate', its not wrong or anything. Just though I'd throw in something neat to dwell on.

I understand that she didnt eat him but its pretty Close to what she did, lets just drop it everyone gets the Point :p


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(May 22nd 2013, 02:22 AM)Archmage Alator Wrote:
(May 22nd 2013, 02:15 AM)Seamus Wrote: Yeah, its just well and simple to say 'ate', its not wrong or anything. Just though I'd throw in something neat to dwell on.

I understand that she didnt eat him but its pretty Close to what she did, lets just drop it everyone gets the Point :p

Oh I gotchu, you knew that at the beginning but didn't want to elaborate. You could have just said that, rather than repeating me and being rude.

One thing I would like to bring up that I can't find is: why aren't Orsimer inherently good at magic? The original Aldmer and their strains all have good magic one way or another, but why did the Orimser lose it? I can't find a reasonable explanation, it's just sort of assumed that they lost this, Skyrims +5 enchanting aside.

My guess is it went hand in hand with becoming more beastial. They may have devolved so advanced politics, handsomeness, logic, and magicka went right out the window.


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(May 22nd 2013, 02:40 AM)Seamus Wrote:
(May 22nd 2013, 02:22 AM)Archmage Alator Wrote:
(May 22nd 2013, 02:15 AM)Seamus Wrote: Yeah, its just well and simple to say 'ate', its not wrong or anything. Just though I'd throw in something neat to dwell on.

I understand that she didnt eat him but its pretty Close to what she did, lets just drop it everyone gets the Point :p

Oh I gotchu, you knew that at the beginning but didn't want to elaborate. You could have just said that, rather than repeating me and being rude.

One thing I would like to bring up that I can't find is: why aren't Orsimer inherently good at magic? The original Aldmer and their strains all have good magic one way or another, but why did the Orimser lose it? I can't find a reasonable explanation, it's just sort of assumed that they lost this, Skyrims +5 enchanting aside.

My guess is it went hand in hand with becoming more beastial. They may have devolved so advanced politics, handsomeness, logic, and magicka went right out the window.

Oh sorry i didnt mean to be rude, im just a Little tired and grumpy. I misunderstood you a Little :c. And they are good at magic, i forgot to add that Xp. I´ll do it right now.


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The orcs haven´t an ancient culture, they just are unable to evolve past a tribal society, even if their villages and strongholds aren´t raided and destroyed by outsiders. It´s questionable if there is a "continued" orcish culture or if they just started their development again and again. Especially as they were Aldmer/Chimer/Aleyds before they were transformed to orcs. Maybe the first generation had memories and traditions of civilized elves, building the first Orsinium in the attempt to cling to their elven past, but being raided again and again and following the codex of Malacath destroyed the "elfish" legacy. So the "real" orcish culture - originated from them - is tribal, and not rural.

So the 3rd/4th era orcs under Gortwog can be seen as something that is against orcish nature itself, especially as they abandoned Malacath/Mauloch and worship Trinimac (who indeed is Malacath by now).

And Orcs have no "equality of sexes": Maybe in their home stronghold the daughters of a chief are allowed to choose the profession of their choice, even can be warriors. But when female orcs are sent away to marry another chief their freedom is over: The order of marriage determines the "job" a chieftain has to do: As far as I know first is the huntswife, the second - I´m sure of that - is the forge wife.

While orc men have to leave their strongholds if they fail to become the new chief when they are old enough, orcish women never are forced to leave the tribe. But when an orcish woman stands up against her duties of marrying, leaving her tribes, she is considered as especially stubborn and intractable. This leads to a special gesture of outcasting, compare the quest of Gharol´s message.

And also, many Orcs worship Mauloch. Not only Malacath or Trinimac.

From the 2nd era point of view it´s fine, but you forgot that in the later times Orcs served in the Imperial legion, improving their reputation in the Empire as good warriors and smiths.

Also that it´s a shame to Orcs when their hair turns white/grey, causing traditional orc warriors to seek an honourable death in battle while traveling the land in seek of death and danger.

Albeit speculative you should have mentioned Orkey´s curse: A curse that once reduced the Nords lifespan to 6 (!) years, being taken from them by Shor and brought upon the Orcs, who`s Elfish lifespan was therefore reduced to 40 - as maximum (!).


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(May 22nd 2013, 02:56 AM)Idriar Wrote: Zenimax Dev Lore = negligible Lore

The orcs haven´t an ancient culture, they just are unable to evolve past a tribal society, even if their villages and strongholds aren´t raided and destroyed by outsiders. It´s questionable if there is a "continued" orcish culture or if they just started their development again and again. Especially as they were Aldmer/Chimer/Aleyds before they were transformed to orcs. Maybe the first generation had memories and traditions of civilized elves, building the first Orsinium in the attempt to cling to their elven past, but being raided again and again and following the codex of Malacath destroyed the "elfish" legacy. So the "real" orcish culture - originated from them - is tribal, and not rural.

So the 3rd/4th era orcs under Gortwog can be seen as something that is against orcish nature itself, especially as they abandoned Malacath/Mauloch and worship Trinimac (who indeed is Malacath by now).

And Orcs have no "equality of sexes": Maybe in their home stronghold the daughters of a chief are allowed to choose the profession of their choice, even can be warriors. But when female orcs are sent away to marry another chief their freedom is over: The order of marriage determines the "job" a chieftain has to do: As far as I know first is the huntswife, the second - I´m sure of that - is the forge wife.

While orc men have to leave their strongholds if they fail to become the new chief when they are old enough, orcish women never are forced to leave the tribe. But when an orcish woman stands up against her duties of marrying, leaving her tribes, she is considered as especially stubborn and intractable. This leads to a special gesture of outcasting, compare the quest of Gharol´s message.

And also, many Orcs worship Mauloch. Not only Malacath or Trinimac.

From the 2nd era point of view it´s fine, but you forgot that in the later times Orcs served in the Imperial legion, improving their reputation in the Empire as good warriors and smiths.

Also that it´s a shame to Orcs when their hair turns white/grey, causing traditional orc warriors to seek an honourable death in battle while traveling the land in seek of death and danger.

Albeit speculative you should have mentioned Orkey´s curse: A curse that once reduced the Nords lifespan to 6 (!) years, being taken from them by Shor and brought upon the Orcs, who`s Elfish lifespan was therefore reduced to 40 - as maximum (!).

Did i wrote that they had an ancient Culture, no. They have a tribal society, yes. But that is because Orcs have tried to form new orsiniums but failed. And about the equality, i probably shouldnt have said that it was good, but its not bad either. And i can write down bethesda dev lore too. But zenimax wouldnt write false lore. I will add the legion stuff and research orkeys curse but i will not do more than that today, i want a break from all Orc-stuff Xp


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Nah, the devs said ancient culture. And you made it clear that this is official Dev info. But you´ve said this is a place to discuss ;)

And to the devs:

Devs reduced elvish lifespan to 300 as "very old"...

No Bosmer cannibalism... just in "private"...

Altmer buildings aren´t made of glass and looking like insect wings anymore...

countless other stuff was spoiled by devs...

Devs Lore is therefor negligible. It´s against the existing, legit and elaborated lore and we have to live with it... Remember the time when Cyrodiil was a jungle? Nope, Chuck Testa. D:


Who controls the Septim crown?
Who keeps the Allesian Heresy down?
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Who knocked Yokuda off the maps?
Who keeps the Dwemer under wraps?
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(May 22nd 2013, 03:22 AM)Idriar Wrote: Nah, the devs said ancient culture. And you made it clear that this is official Dev info. But you´ve said this is a place to discuss ;)

And to the devs:

Devs reduced elvish lifespan to 300 as "very old"...

No Bosmer cannibalism... just in "private"...

Altmer buildings aren´t made of glass and looking like insect wings anymore...

countless other stuff was spoiled by devs...

Devs Lore is therefor negligible. It´s against the existing, legit and elaborated lore and we have to live with it... Remember the time when Cyrodiil was a jungle? Nope, Chuck Testa. D:

Yes this is a Place to discuss them, sorry i have had to many debates with Sordak. And i just wrote what the devs said, and if you cant trust the devs then who? XD


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Bethesda changed the Cyrodiil jungle lore for oblivion. The whole Talos CHIM thing was written into the lore just to explain that, so zenimax is not the first people to play with the lore. No one seems to remember that Bethesda, the creators of the lore, have changed it at times to fit what they need.


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(May 26th 2013, 04:22 PM)Epicfailville Wrote: Bethesda changed the Cyrodiil jungle lore for oblivion. The whole Talos CHIM thing was written into the lore just to explain that, so zenimax is not the first people to play with the lore. No one seems to remember that Bethesda, the creators of the lore, have changed it at times to fit what they need.

That´s correct. Never forget! Never forgive! ;)


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Hi, I would like to know if anyone has any info on Orsimer's speed? I know in Morrowind and Oblivion they have a -10 penalty to speed and don't have any boost to their athletics. I am wondering this because I've played an Argonian in every game and it seems odd that (imo) the slowest race (Orsimer) have a speed bonus racial (sprint speed) while the Argonian (the fastest race (+10 speed and bonus to athletics)) don't.
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I think that the races are of equal speed in this game, maybe as in Skyrim when it were the height that determined the speed.

In the lore a reason to that Orcs can be slower may be due to that Orcs are quite heavy, and not very light on their feet.

Sadly I have no info this in terms of in-game.


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