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The Birth of Vampires


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So I was recently reading up on a little dunmer lore, and I came across this on the wiki: "Molag Bal is said to be the father (along with Vivec, whom he seduced) of a population of mutant degenerates living in the Molag Amur region of Morrowind. Most disturbingly, this race may have been the first eventual vampires, a corruption of Vivec's ties to the Heart of Lorkhan transmitted to mortals."
Very interesting, but I've also heard elsewhere that the first vampires were created when Molag Bal raped a virgin nedic woman?.. Kind of confused, so I'm wondering if this is one of those speculation-type subjects in the lore or if one is actually true. Personally, I like the dunmer version better.
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Hm, I believe you have the second part of that quote mistakened. I hadn't previously heard that those mutant degenerates may have became vampires. It could just be someone's personal theory that got written on the wiki, or just a lore rumor never proven true.

Could you provide the link to that part of the wiki?


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(April 8th 2013, 11:03 AM)Horizon Seeker Wrote: Hm, I believe you have the second part of that quote mistakened. I hadn't previously heard that those mutant degenerates may have became vampires. It could just be someone's personal theory that got written on the wiki, or just a lore rumor never proven true.

Could you provide the link to that part of the wiki?

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Molag_Bal
It's under History and Legend - Morrowind when you scroll down a bit.


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As vampires in both cases resulted from the violation of someone, I wouldn't be surprised if those mutant degenerates were also vampires of sorts. But the direct lore reference for the encounter between Vivec and Molag Bal comes from the book in Morrowind 36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 14 as the direct source which makes no specific mention of vampires. So at this point, Vivec being partially responsible for vampires is speculative theory at best.

I'd say their true origins results from the corruption of nedic women, as that has more concrete evidence in the games/lore.

Many lore-mongers I know would agree that the elderscrolls.wikia is often incorrect or misleading, and would advise using http://uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page or http://www.imperial-library.info/ instead.


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Ahh I see, well thank you for the links and info. I definitely need to do some more homework on my knowledge of lore haha


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Sure, Molag and Vivec did churn out some freaky-ass kids, but I don't believe they were the first vampires. Unless Opusculus Laelag Bal was meant to be taken as a fable or cautionary tale. I think Horizon's right, someone was probably just posting theory.
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Well the part about molag bal raping a Nord is true. It what the Dawnguard dlc for Skyrim is about. Im not sure if Serana's family was the first though. But they did take part in the "ritual" to become vampires and then they can pass their abilities on to others.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Lord_Harkon


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Like Horizon Seeker said, I wouldn't use the Elder Scrolls Wikia as a reliable lore-source, many of what it claims as to be canonical is merely conjecture. The Imperial Library and the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages are much firmer sources of lore-based information.

It's pretty much agreed that the first Vampire was an early Nedic woman who was raped by Molag Bal, who somehow horribly metamorphosed whilst his supernatural seed was in her. Though on the topic of Vivec and he; even if they got freaky and had weird-ass mutant children, who says that any of that is true?

Vivec IS known to be a chronic liar.
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Molag Bal is such a naughty boy. I wonder wether people that want to become vampires have to get raped by Molag Bal first :p
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no need to wonder.
the daughters of coldharbour all have been raped by him.
Beeing the god of rape sure helps.

Tho having old molag put his dick in you doesnt make you a vampire. Thank god otherwise Vekh would not only be a god, he would also sparkle.

Arkael while you are correct Vivec is one special kind of chronic liar (of wich there are only 2, guess who the second is, its not all that hard) whichs lies actually come true, because he says so...
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Yeah, CHIM and godhood and what-not.
It probably is true, though there's the slight chance it could not be.
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(April 8th 2013, 10:47 AM)Tyrvan Wrote: So I was recently reading up on a little dunmer lore, and I came across this on the wiki: "Molag Bal is said to be the father (along with Vivec, whom he seduced) of a population of mutant degenerates living in the Molag Amur region of Morrowind. Most disturbingly, this race may have been the first eventual vampires, a corruption of Vivec's ties to the Heart of Lorkhan transmitted to mortals."
Very interesting, but I've also heard elsewhere that the first vampires were created when Molag Bal raped a virgin nedic woman?.. Kind of confused, so I'm wondering if this is one of those speculation-type subjects in the lore or if one is actually true. Personally, I like the dunmer version better.
hmm, is it possible for them to actually be different vampires , like cyrodillic vampires and the Skyrim vampires?.
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(April 10th 2013, 03:02 PM)shaun Wrote:
(April 8th 2013, 10:47 AM)Tyrvan Wrote: So I was recently reading up on a little dunmer lore, and I came across this on the wiki: "Molag Bal is said to be the father (along with Vivec, whom he seduced) of a population of mutant degenerates living in the Molag Amur region of Morrowind. Most disturbingly, this race may have been the first eventual vampires, a corruption of Vivec's ties to the Heart of Lorkhan transmitted to mortals."
Very interesting, but I've also heard elsewhere that the first vampires were created when Molag Bal raped a virgin nedic woman?.. Kind of confused, so I'm wondering if this is one of those speculation-type subjects in the lore or if one is actually true. Personally, I like the dunmer version better.
hmm, is it possible for them to actually be different vampires , like cyrodillic vampires and the Skyrim vampires?.

if true, im sure theyre different in essence but vampires are vampires. though id imagine the ones from molag and vivec to be more powerful, seeing as they came straight out of the Daedric Prince himself


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Wow found a pretty intruiging but highly disturbing story.

Read at your own peril :D
Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie
by Mabei Aywenil, Scribe
A brief account of Lamae Bal and the Restless Death

Translation by University of Gwylim Press; 3E 105

As brighter grows light, darker becomes shadow. So it passed that the Daedra Molag Bal looked on Arkay and thought the Aedra prideful of his dominion o’er the death of man and mer, and it was sooth.

Bal, whose sphere is the wanton oppression and entrapment of mortal souls, sought to thwart Arkay, who knew that not man, nor mer, nor beastfolk of all Nirn could escape eventual death. The Aedra was doubtless of his sphere, and so Molag Bal set upon Nirn to best death.

Tamriel was still young, and filled with danger and wondrous magick when Bal walked in the aspect of a man and took a virgin, Lamae Beolfag, from the Nedic Peoples. Savage and loveless, Bal profaned her body, and her screams became the Shrieking Winds, which still haunt certain winding fjords of Skyrim. Shedding a lone droplet of blood on her brow, Bal left Nirn, having sown his wrath.

Violated and comatose, Lamae was found by nomads, and cared for. A fortnight hence, the nomad wyrd-woman enshrouded Lamae in pall for she had passed into death. In their way, the nomads built a bonfire to immolate the husk. That night, Lamae rose from her funeral pyre, and set upon the coven, still aflame. She ripped the throats of the women, ate the eyes of the children, and raped their men as cruelly as Bal had ravished her.

And so; Lamae, (who is known to us as blood-matron) imprecated her foul aspect upon the folk of Tamriel, and begat a brood of countless abominations, from which came the vampires, most cunning of the night-horrors. And so was the scourge of undeath wrought upon Tamriel, cruelly mocking Arkay’s rhythm of life and death through all the coming eras of the et'Ada, and for all his sadness, Arkay knew this could not be undone.
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