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Since I'm playing a Breton, I would like to roleplay as one of the Forsworn. That would give my character a personal vendetta against The Ebonheart Pact particularly. From what I understand, the Reachman (later called the Forsworn after Ulfric Stormcloak drove them out of Markath) seceded from the Empire around the time of the Interregnum. So they were an active faction during the time period depicted in ESO. I would just like to know more about the lore and history surrounding those people during that time period.
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The Forsword did not exist until the fourth era. TESO takes place in the second era.

The Reachmen existed in the second era. However there were no forsworn-like faction in the second era and the reachmen never had a "nation" or anything like to secede from the empire. In the second era the reachmen had no hatred or anger whatsoever towards the Nords so your char would need to have another reason to have a vendetta against the pact.


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(December 18th 2013, 02:06 PM)Took an arrow in the knee Wrote: The Forsword did not exist until the fourth era. TESO takes place in the second era.

The Reachmen existed in the second era. However there were no forsworn-like faction in the second era and the reachmen never had a "nation" or anything like to secede from the empire. In the second era the reachmen had no hatred or anger whatsoever towards the Nords so your char would need to have another reason to have a vendetta against the pact.

Thanks. I want to make sure that whatever I do in the game is lore-friendly since my main interest in ESO is role-playing. I'll tweak my backstory a bit. Perhaps I was a Reachman who hails from a village attacked and destroyed by Nords?
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Hey checking the lore with other people is always a good thing to do for exactly that reason.

Yeah a village attacked and destroyed by Nords would probably instil some form of hatred for the Nords.


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A good source of Lore for the Reachmen is here: UESP -Reachmen I recommend reading the sources they cite to get a feel for the culture.

Secondly here is the official poltical situation around the time of TESO as regards the Reachmen: Q&A 4.




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(December 18th 2013, 03:18 PM)Thorfinn Wrote: A good source of Lore for the Reachmen is here: UESP -Reachmen I recommend reading the sources they cite to get a feel for the culture.

Secondly here is the official poltical situation around the time of TESO as regards the Reachmen: Q&A 4.

Thank you! This will definitely give me some things to add to my character's development.
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The Reachmen are an ancient race of humans that have roots stretching back to the Merethic Era. Like the Bretons, their ancestors were Nedes who intermingled with Clan Direnni of the Altmer. Unlike the Bretons, who unified themselves into various "European style" Kingdoms and who mostly follow a variation of the Eight Divines religion, the Reachmen founded Ten Independent Kingdoms in the Reach, and followed what they called the Old Ways. To the horror and disgust of some of their neighbors, sacrifice and cannibalism in the name of the Daedra are among those rituals, but that's not to say they were necessarily a savage or altogether cruel race. The glory days of the Reach and its Kingdoms are long over. Empress Hestra of the Alessian dynasty crushed the Kingdoms and subjugated them, but clans of fiercely independent Reachmen have continued to exist and resist integration into the other settled races until this day. They notably have waged war on both the Nords and Bretons for thousands of years - mostly trying to reclaims lost lands that once belonged to their Kingdoms, like the eastern Reach in Skyrim or the western Reach in High Rock. They opposed Tiber Septim in his day, and were shouted down from the walls at Hrol'don. Many of them also died at the hands of Ulfric and his personal army. During the time period of ESO, they've allied themselves with the Molag Bal cultists who are attempting the Planemeld. While this faction is not the Forsworn of the Fourth Era, their attire, behavior and beliefs are very similar as the Forsworn are simply a fundamentalist, radical sect of Native Reachmen who are trying to emulate their ancestors. If you've faced many Forsworn in Skyrim, then you know roughly what to expect from Second Era Reachmen.
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That's mostly true but the reachmen are not at all an ancient race like the Altmer or Nords and they don't have any Aldmeri or Nedic blood.

The Reachmen are a race of primarily Breton ancestry with a bit of Nordic and they only came around presumably sometime between the ninth and eleventh centuries of the first era but certainly not the merethic era.


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Hence why I said they had roots there, not that they themselves in their current form existed. There were Nedes around before the first people calling themselves Nords. Certainly for hundreds of years before Ysgramor.
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They weren't Nords then, they were Atmorans. And the reachmen are mostly Bretons and the Bretons didn't exist until the Direnni conquest of High Rock so the Reachmen don't really have any ancient roots much less are they an ancient people.


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You're splitting some incredibly thin hairs there. My point is that there were Humans on Tamriel a long time before Ysgramor's generation. Here's a quote from Frontier:Conquest:

"Ysgramor was following a long tradition of migration from Atmora; Tamriel had served as a "safety valve" for Atmora for centuries before Ysgramor's arrival. Malcontents, dissidents, rebels, landless younger sons, all made the difficult crossing from Atmora to the "New World" of Tamriel. New archeological excavations date the earliest human settlements in Hammerfell, High Rock, and Cyrodiil at ME800-1000, centuries earlier than Ysgramor, even assuming that the twelve Nord "kings" prior to Harald were actual historical figures."

^ According to this scholar, and other evidence such as the Nedes in the south already being Ayleid slaves when the Nords arrived, we can safely assume at least some Humans lived in the Reach. Whether they were Direnni slaves or not isn't the main point I'm making. There were human settlements there.

It's also not really accurate to call Reachmen Bretons, as the term Breton implies as much about nationality as race. It's true Bretons and Reachmen share some common ancestors, but that'd be like calling a Cuban a Mexican, or a Canadian and American, or something similar. Close, but no cigar. They'd probably be offended to be called Bretons, and Bretons would certainly be offended to be called Natives. If you accidentally imply the Breton chef at Markarth Keep is a Native in TES V he quickly and angrily corrects you.
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Just to add to the above, the Forsworn in Skyrim were Breton only for the gameplay purposes, as they are described as breton-looking. But they are not Breton. They are Reachmen.
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Also, aren't the Reachmen a mix between the Bretons AND the Nords?, because if they aren't then what are they?. The only other logical assumption I can think of is that they're just Bretons who wanted to live in a completely different enviroment for whatever reason...
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Nope, Nord blood is actually not a large part of the Reachman makeup. They are descended from early Atmoran settlers (see Pilaf's post above) who intermingled with the indigenous elves, so Merish blood runs stronger within them than 'Nordic', though the two share common Atmoran origin. However, the Reachmen have also intermingled with all kinds, nords, imperials, elves, bretons, even orcs in the centuries after the Atmoran settlement of northern Tamriel, making them considerable more 'mongrel' than the Bretons.
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