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Felt like discussing the future of TES so I shall.

I was reading about a strong theory for the next TES game, a theory that got me thinking and it would make a lot of sense as well as catering to a lot of people's requests. I'm talking about 'The Towers Theory' now this theory explains pretty much all the Thalmors decisions so if your interested in possibly the most solid theory on the net for the next TES game and an explanation on decisions made in the past and my theory of what happened to the dwemer using this theory.

So what is 'The Towers Theory'? A basic theory explaining the decision's of the Thalmor using in game and out of game references I'll list at the end. I did not think of this. The basic principles of this theory is that their are various towers on Nirn that separate the realm of Oblivion and Mundas. Does this ring bells, TES IV. I will list the towers latter. The towers can be considered in two states, active and inert. Each tower contains a stone which is the heart of the tower, each part needs each other. The stone doesn't literally have to be a stone but something else. A tower becomes inert when the tower is destroyed, the stone is destroyed or the connection between them is severed. In TES IV the White-Gold Towers stones connection with the actual tower was severed by the death of the emperor. When a tower is inert the barrier between the realms is damaged and weakened, thus Dagon was allowed to pass through the realms.

Most people should know the complicated creation of Nirn right? Well when the Aedra created Nirn after the various events etc and Lorkans heart etc the Aedra created a single tower, The Adamantine Tower or however you spell it was that first tower and its stone is called the zero stone. This tower is the oldest structure on Nirn. However all other towers, I think, we're created by the mortal races and its stones either accessed from Atherius or from Oblivion. Usually Oblivion. The known towers include:
The Adamantine Tower
Red Tower
Crystal Tower
White Gold Tower
Oricalc
Walk Brass
Green Sap
Snow Throat
These are the known towers and may or may not be active, you can probably guess which is which.

So where does the Third Reich umm I mean Third Aldmeri Dominion come into the equation? Well you might know that The Aldmeri Dominion and many Aldmer want to return to Atherius, they want to escape the mortal realm and become immortal. Of course this basically requires the destruction of Mundas. The Aldmeri Dominion is not there as an Empire, not a means of power but a means to become immortal. It's sole purpose in essence is to destroy Nirn. To the supporting Aldmer the towers are the very bars that lock their race to Mundas. But they must do more than destroy the towers to ascend to the heavens, they must destroy the races of men. Yes you heard me, but just killing them won't suffice they need to remove the notion of man. This can be achieved by destroying the first tower which I think will be the final tower to be destroyed if they try. Now another thing they must destroy is Talos, Talos exists because people want him to and if no one believes in Talos he is removed from the equation, hence the ban. If the Dominion was to succeed then then the birth and death cycle would be destroyed along with Nirn.

My theory on the dwemer. I believe that in the creation of Walk Brass the dwemer became immortal. They ascended to the heavens leaving Nirn behind. Very simple actually, I may be wrong but this is what I think. I can see criticism coming my way for saying this but I said it.

I believe because this is such a massive part of Elder Scrolls history then it must be the setting of the next game and this why I also believe you won't have a choice in which side you chose to join, I believe you shall be forced into being with the opposition to The Dominion. I can see either being with the Empire or Stormcloaks will work out because both have the common goal of destroying the dominion. This will either be all over Nirn or the two scenarios of 'The Opposition is Winning' so in Valenwood and Summerset Isles or 'The Dominion is Winning' in High Rock and Hammerfell because the last towers in High Rock. If this isn't the next game I'll be surprised because this is solid stuff. What do you think?

Sources:

↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Before the Ages of Man
↑ 2.0 2.1 Varieties of Faith in the Empire
↑ The Monomyth
↑ History of Raven Rock, Vol. I
↑ Pocket Guide to the Empire, Third Edition: Summerset Isles
↑ The Sage
↑ 7.0 7.1 7.2 The Great War
↑ Rising Threat, Vol. I
↑ 9.0 9.1 9.2 The Book of the Dragonborn
↑ Pocket Guide to the Empire, First Edition: Hammerfell
↑ Events of The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
↑ The Arcturian Heresy
↑ Pocket Guide to the Empire, Third Edition: Valenwood
Note: The following are out-of-game references. They are not found in any in-game books, but can still be considered part of The Elder Scrolls lore and are included for completeness.
↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 Nu-Mantia Intercept, Letter #5
↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 Nu-Mantia Intercept, Letter #7
↑ Vehk's Book of Hours, concerning the Dragon Break
↑ Cosmology
↑ 5.0 5.1 Nu-Mantia Intercept, Letter #4
↑ 6.0 6.1 Nu-Mantia Intercept, Letter #8


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I've moved this over to The Blend board as it's related to the main Elder Scrolls series!

It's a solid theory, Thomas! I don't believe the nord-heavy Stormcloaks would be involved however unless it's a minor cameo, new region means new factions after all!

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(August 18th 2013, 11:08 AM)Horizon Seeker Wrote: I've moved this over to The Blend board as it's related to the main Elder Scrolls series!

It's a solid theory, Thomas! I don't believe the nord-heavy Stormcloaks would be involved however unless it's a minor cameo, new region means new factions after all!

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When I played the Stormcloaks they said they were going to march on the summerset isles. I can garuntee they will be invoved when their very race is in danger.


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Maybe... but the whole elves-wanting-to-destroy-mundus thing is not canon. Also, I kind of doubt that Bethesda would make entire race so blatantly evil. Why would all of the elves have made all of those towers in the first place if they were fettering them from Aetherius? Idk, anything people can speculate right now is JUST speculation. I remember before Skyrim was announced people thought the civil war had to do with Summerset and that the game would take place there. Though I do like trying to piece the puzzle together with hints from previous games, so keep up the good work :) This is all just my input.


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While many High Elves do indeed view Mundus as an evil Sithian prison, many also believe their connection to Aetherius has been sundered forever and that Creation cannot be undone.

What Michael Kirkbride wrote is not canon. It's fanfiction at best.

The Towers seperate Mundus from Oblivion. If they were to be destroyed, everything would be sucked into Oblivion. The Elves may not like Mundus, but they sure as hell don't want to end up in Oblivion.


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^^ and they were pretty upset when the Crystal-Like-Law was destroyed... I guess they may want to make everyone even and destroy all the towers.. haha jk.


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Ok yep not all Aldmer want Mundas destroyed but the Thalmor do, that's their purpose. I would disagree with Bethesda not making a empire evil, I think they would because everyone is individuals. Some high elves don't want this others do. By the way that idea is what the elves think others may think something else but the point is look at it through high elf eyes and it makes sense.


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No, the Thalmor as a whole want to spread Elven culture, with more extreme ones wanting Elven rule, and the most extreme ones wanting non-Mer to be enslaved or wiped out. The whole thing about the Thalmor's prime goal being the destruction of Mundus came from a non-canon post.


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And if it turns out that the Thalmor aren't going to be a threat next time? Think about it, this is the first time in an ES game where an antagonist has carried over. Does it definitely mean that they're going to be in the next one? Many-including myself-would say yes. But there are many other factors, and the Thalmor would probably take their Skyrim role as a background antagonist. I think it's a fairly safe bet that it will be in Hammerfell, since most people like normality and Bethesda wants to sell their games more than make good ones. Compare Morrowind and Oblivion.
The next ES game will probably include a completely new antagonist that they make up on the spot. But don't forget that there are now three large powers in Tamriel. The Argonian Empire and the An-Xileel may well turn on the Empire. They already let a soul sucking city go to the White Gold tower, so they obviously don't have too much love for the Imperials. And let us not forget that we know very little about the Hist or the An-Xileel (I think, correct me if not). Now, like I said before, I doubt that the next game will be set in a alien world, so having it in Black Marsh would be unlikely. But if it were in Hammerfell, the Forbear/Crown dynamic could play out well.
Of course, it could do another time leap. I mean, the effect on which the Stormcloak or Imperial succession would have could be very consequential. I mean, the Stormcloaks could do anything once they were in control; attack the empire, attack the Altmer, attack Morrowind, eat a lot of sweetrolls...
They could quite easily just get rid of this by skipping ahead some hundred years and go to somewhere where it would have no effect on.


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(August 19th 2013, 02:31 AM)Iogairn Wrote: And if it turns out that the Thalmor aren't going to be a threat next time? Think about it, this is the first time in an ES game where an antagonist has carried over. Does it definitely mean that they're going to be in the next one? Many-including myself-would say yes. But there are many other factors, and the Thalmor would probably take their Skyrim role as a background antagonist. I think it's a fairly safe bet that it will be in Hammerfell, since most people like normality and Bethesda wants to sell their games more than make good ones. Compare Morrowind and Oblivion.
The next ES game will probably include a completely new antagonist that they make up on the spot. But don't forget that there are now three large powers in Tamriel. The Argonian Empire and the An-Xileel may well turn on the Empire. They already let a soul sucking city go to the White Gold tower, so they obviously don't have too much love for the Imperials. And let us not forget that we know very little about the Hist or the An-Xileel (I think, correct me if not). Now, like I said before, I doubt that the next game will be set in a alien world, so having it in Black Marsh would be unlikely. But if it were in Hammerfell, the Forbear/Crown dynamic could play out well.
Of course, it could do another time leap. I mean, the effect on which the Stormcloak or Imperial succession would have could be very consequential. I mean, the Stormcloaks could do anything once they were in control; attack the empire, attack the Altmer, attack Morrowind, eat a lot of sweetrolls...
They could quite easily just get rid of this by skipping ahead some hundred years and go to somewhere where it would have no effect on.

You have a fair point, seems legit.


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This sums it up perfectly.
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Love futurama, lol


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Idk if they would do another huge time skip for a while. The first 4 games were all within 34 years of each other (and if they follow a pattern it will be 6 years after Skyrim haha). Anyway, I would read up a little more about the Altmer the the 3rd Aldmeri Dominion to give you a bit more info about their goals and such.
(August 19th 2013, 02:31 AM)Iogairn Wrote: I think it's a fairly safe bet that it will be in Hammerfell, since most people like normality and Bethesda wants to sell their games more than make good ones. Compare Morrowind and Oblivion.
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I doubt that the next game will be set in a alien world, so having it in Black Marsh would be unlikely.
Yeah I agreed. But it that logic makes it difficult for places like Black Marsh and Valenwood to ever be the main setting for a game, but perhaps they could have regions be included. Idk, would be interesting (I JUST WANNA SEE VALENWOOD)


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(August 19th 2013, 10:46 AM)Ulwe Wrote: Idk if they would do another huge time skip for a while. The first 4 games were all within 34 years of each other (and if they follow a pattern it will be 6 years after Skyrim haha). Anyway, I would read up a little more about the Altmer the the 3rd Aldmeri Dominion to give you a bit more info about their goals and such.
(August 19th 2013, 02:31 AM)Iogairn Wrote: I think it's a fairly safe bet that it will be in Hammerfell, since most people like normality and Bethesda wants to sell their games more than make good ones. Compare Morrowind and Oblivion.
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I doubt that the next game will be set in a alien world, so having it in Black Marsh would be unlikely.
Yeah I agreed. But it that logic makes it difficult for places like Black Marsh and Valenwood to ever be the main setting for a game, but perhaps they could have regions be included. Idk, would be interesting (I JUST WANNA SEE VALENWOOD)

Same that place always fascinated me. I really want to see the moving trees.


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So I came up with something else quite interesting, watch this video http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUO5ZgJEeA...pUO5ZgJEeA it explains the whole bug in a jar and the runes on them. Now I was pondering and I'm way more excited for ESO now, what if ESO is a staging for the next game, what if there will be so many references to TES VI it's unreal. I will explore each region thoroughly so I can locate every possible clue. I will try to level to 50 so fast you won't even know it. I shall start with hammerfell, look for any clues there, the summerset isles is next once I get to 50, then Skyrim and Morrowind are important for this theory I've made up in my head or I may do Skyrim first but they will be thoroughly searched and I will pick up every clue possible off YouTube. Cyrodiil isn't that important but I'll have a look. What I'm most interested in is dwemer ruins, not piecing together their disappearance, although nice, but looking for something bigger. Now I believe completely in the theory I first stated since its all too coincidental to not be of significance. The runes on the jars. I want so many of these mysteries in ESO so I can be that person who gets that exclusive loot. I'm so interested in this theory, look I believe it but you don't have to.


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