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The Oblivion Crisis


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So I was just thinking that this new game kind of set up some strange oddities if taken into account with the other games, especially oblivion. In skyrim daedric worship is suppressed and groups like the vigilant of stendarr hunt down cultists. Now no such opposition exist after the alliance wars of the second era. In morrowind and oblivion daedric worship was frowned upon but not outlawed like in skyrim. It makes the oblivion crisis look kind of silly in a sense. Why weren't they prepared for such a occurrence if it had occurred once before?
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If a volcano erupted and almost destroyed an island of people, do you think that island would be prepared for that volcano to explode again two thousand years later?

Because I reckon that it would be largely forgotten by then and what is remembered about it would be distorted, dismissed and embellished by history.
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(February 11th 2014, 07:39 PM)Arggonian Wizard Wrote: If a volcano erupted and almost destroyed an island of people, do you think that island would be prepared for that volcano to explode again two thousand years later?

Here's the thing, a Volcano is a natural event. You can't do much to prepare for it, and the threat isn't constant. Now daedric cultist are something that are a constant threat that can be prevented.
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(February 11th 2014, 07:49 PM)Dragonchris Wrote: Here's the thing, a Volcano is a natural event. You can't do much to prepare for it, and the threat isn't constant. Now daedric cultist are something that are a constant threat that can be prevented.

Fair point actually. I guess its more like South Korea vs North Korea rather than a Volcano.

Still though, are you sure they never did anything to prevent this from happening again? I'm not that knowledgeable about the Lore but I imagine that they did something at least in the immediate aftermath.
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(February 11th 2014, 08:06 PM)Arggonian Wizard Wrote:
(February 11th 2014, 07:49 PM)Dragonchris Wrote: Here's the thing, a Volcano is a natural event. You can't do much to prepare for it, and the threat isn't constant. Now daedric cultist are something that are a constant threat that can be prevented.

Fair point actually. I guess its more like South Korea vs North Korea rather than a Volcano.

Still though, are you sure they never did anything to prevent this from happening again? I'm not that knowledgeable about the Lore but I imagine that they did something at least in the immediate aftermath.
Beth and Zeni can more or less say what ever they wish happened, but in lore the next major thing to happen is tiber septiem and nothing of anti-daedra is mentioned so far as I know. The third empire more or less has a freedom of religion stance atleast until the oblivion crisis. They did push their culture onto others, but didn't outlaw the practices of the other races. Even necromancy was legal in cyrodil and mannimarco caused all this.
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Here's why: ZOS hates their own lore, ever since they announced TESO it screwed up lore big time. The events of TESO are just one huge contradiction. In the first era Sotha Sil and Alamalexi defeated Mehrunes Dagon, why not do the same to an invasion from Coldharbour? Vivec defeated Molag Bal once before, why not do it again? before Tiber Septim achieved CHIM Cyrodiil was supposed to be a lush, tropical jungle and yet in every video/screenshot/concept art that shows Cyrodiil we have seen far from it. TESO is a huge lore screw-up.

Although for the Oblivion crisis during that time the amulet of kings was being worn by a dragonborn (Uriel Septim VII) which prevented the Daedra from entering Tamriel (save for conjuring minor Daedra like you do in-game) whereas during TESO time there was no living dragonborn known of at the time to wear the amulet of kings thus the barriers between Mundus and Oblivion are gone until Tiber Septim retrieves the amulet from the tomb of the Remans.

So in other words the people of Mundus thought they were safe from Oblivion with the amulet of kings being worn by a dragonborn but the Mythic dawn killed off the dragonborns except for one but they took the amulet before he could wear it and be crowned.

In short: overconfidence is the answer you're looking for.

For the record Daedra worship has actually always been a part of Dunmer culture and was never frowned upon in Morrowind and necromancy has always been perfectly legal in every province in Tamriel except Morrowind. Albeit it was frowned upon in some places but necromancers even had arrangements with the authorities in Cyrodiil.
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(February 11th 2014, 08:20 PM)Took an arrow in the knee Wrote: Here's why: ZOS hates their own lore, ever since they announced TESO it screwed up lore big time. The events of TESO are just one huge contradiction. In the first era Sotha Sil and Alamalexi defeated Mehrunes Dagon, why not do the same to an invasion from Coldharbour? Vivec defeated Molag Bal once before, why not do it again? before Tiber Septim achieved CHIM Cyrodiil was supposed to be a lush, tropical jungle and yet in every video/screenshot/concept art that shows Cyrodiil we have seen far from it. TESO is a huge lore screw-up.

Although for the Oblivion crisis during that time the amulet of kings was being worn by a dragonborn (Uriel Septim VII) which prevented the Daedra from entering Tamriel (save for conjuring minor Daedra like you do in-game) whereas during TESO time there was no living dragonborn known of at the time to wear the amulet of kings thus the barriers between Mundus and Oblivion are gone until Tiber Septim retrieves the amulet from the tomb of the Remans.

So in other words the people of Mundus thought they were safe from Oblivion with the amulet of kings being worn by a dragonborn but the Mythic dawn killed off the dragonborns except for one but they took the amulet before he could wear it and be crowned.

In short: overconfidence is the answer you're looking for.

For the record Daedra worship has actually always been a part of Dunmer culture and was never frowned upon in Morrowind and necromancy has always been perfectly legal in every province in Tamriel except Morrowind. Albeit it was frowned upon in some places but necromancers even had arrangements with the authorities in Cyrodiil.

were you in beta?
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I was not nor do I intend to get into beta because I kind of view it like a spoiler.

Why do you ask?


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was going to say something I figured you understand if you were, but can't. I'll just go on to say that over confidence isn't a good enough excuse for what occurred, especially after the extreme reaction we see in skyrim. Though I do agree with you that zeni likes to go back on there lore, it's almost no point in knowing it as it changes so easily.Though admittedly I'm glad cyrodil isn't a jungle. Leave the jungle for the cats and them crazy elves.
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How so? there is a very long time difference from the alliance war to the Oblivion crisis, during that time the amulet of kings has always (save for a century or two for Tiber to retrieve the amulet) been worn by a dragonborn which has always been enough to stop the forces from Oblivion at bay. After several hundred years of having that defence you'd think the people of Tamriel would feel all safe and secure thus growing more lax then all of a sudden the mythic dawn comes along and those defences that have been in place for centuries are gone.

I'd say a mix of overconfidence and laziness would explain it.


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but than what about Jagar tharn? He didn't occur not to long before oblivion and showed that the imperial family was vulnerable to attack. There were also other crisises that occurred that should have heighten imperial security yet they end up allowing something that happened once happen again. Without TESO you could say "oh they never figured that could happen", but with TESO all those scholars in the white gold tower should have been able to see that there was a clear weakness there and have had plans to deal with such.
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It's been stated that much of the history set in the time period of TESO was convoluted or lost. It's possible that it wasn't recorded properly or what was recorded was lost in the chaos of war that continued on two centuries after TESO. People also tend to forget the past and repeat the same mistakes their ancestors did. Two thousand years is a long time for people to stay vigilant against a threat they've only ever heard happened but have never seen.


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(February 11th 2014, 09:05 PM)Epicfailville Wrote: It's been stated that much of the history set in the time period of TESO was convoluted or lost. It's possible that it wasn't recorded properly or what was recorded was lost in the chaos of war that continued on two centuries after TESO. People also tend to forget the past and repeat the same mistakes their ancestors did. Two thousand years is a long time for people to stay vigilant against a threat they've only ever heard happened but have never seen.

Yes, but the Blades were ready for Alduin and they weren't even there. I can't believe that no one bothered to record that daedra were falling out of the sky.
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I wouldn't really say the blades where ready for Alduin. They just saw him reappear and thought "Oh shit, we know what's going to happen!" Even in our own history you can see people make the same mistakes, it's easy to get lazy and forget what you are supposed to e doing if what you're preparing for never happens.


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(February 11th 2014, 09:22 PM)Epicfailville Wrote: I wouldn't really say the blades where ready for Alduin. They just saw him reappear and thought "Oh shit, we know what's going to happen!" Even in our own history you can see people make the same mistakes, it's easy to get lazy and forget what you are supposed to e doing if what you're preparing for never happens.

I'd argue the fact the blades more or less put an instruction manual in one of their mian fortresses, and even after it not being used for centuries there were members who knew about it counts as prepared. What I'm trying to get at is sure the Imperials could possibly get lazy, but groups like the moth priest (especially since they look at scrolls that tell the future) should have had contingency plans or warned people who could make them about the extreme possibility of such an occurrence.
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