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Aperently they got no clue whatsoever.

Behold here.

either they got a retcon again. Or they dont know anything about the lore.
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I wouldnt want a jungle. I want the old Cyrodiil but enhanced ofcourse. Jungle warfare turns it into one big guerilla war. Guerilla tactics can be cool, in Valenwood and in Blackmarsh though there ai no open world pvp. I understand that you, as an Argonian would prefer it to be a jungle. Though we differ from opinions here.


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i am not an argonian. i am austrian.

i just want them to stick to the lore. And Cyrodiil as it was in Oblivion was basically a more boring Skyrim.

And the kind of Warfare favored by open lands is not interresting either.
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I don't know, I'm really on both sides... on one hand, I would love to see Cyrodiil in its jungle form, as it would be fairly unique. At least from my perspective. But on the other hand, I also want to see Cyrodiil as it was in Oblivion, only in MMO form with huge battles.

As for the lore - it doesn't bother me, but hopefully we won't be seeing a lot of this retconning throughout the game.


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Lore is important to me, but guys come on... One big jungle? I mean think. Think.
Jungle jungle jungle jungle oh theres one guy jungle jungle jungle jungle tiger jungle jungle jungle monkey.

A jungle is freaking dense. How the hell are you gonna play in a JUNGLE? Massive pvp battles in one massive Amazon-like jungle?

Cyrodiil varied from landscapes, in the north it was mountainous with some small pine forests, you had the plains near skingrad and anvil. You have Blackwood around Leyawiin, the marshes near bravil. etc etc. Diversity = interesting.

Skyrim = boring?

Dude why are you always so grumpy?


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I really like Cyrodiil how it was in Oblivion but also when i look back to World of Warcraft the most beatiful areas are the Jungles Feralas, Terrokar Forest, Sholazar Basin and im Sure TESO can surpass them
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(October 3rd 2012, 03:30 PM)Sturmhard Wrote: I really like Cyrodiil how it was in Oblivion but also when i look back to World of Warcraft the most beatiful areas are the Jungles Feralas, Terrokar Forest, Sholazar Basin and im Sure TESO can surpass them

Those... aren't jungles. Tropical forests, perhaps, but one of the definitions of jungle is "impenetrably dense" (as Beor above mentioned), and (though it's been quite a while) I remember those being relatively sparse in vegetation, so...

And while it might be nice to have a Cyrodiilic rain forest, well, there's already Elsweyr, part of Hammerfell, and possibly Valenwood. No need for more. Plus, not only in Oblivion, but it was the same at-best-borderline-subtropical forest in Arena as well, before either the original lore OR the retcon came in. Let's just say its climate is a mess and leave it at that. :p


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How does this show ZOS' ignorance of the lore when this retcon has been made 6 years ago by Bethesda Game Studios?

As I understand it, Tiber CHIM'ed it so Cyrodiil has always had the vegetation it had in Oblivion. I wouldn't say no to a more tropical Cyrodiil, but I think TESO will already make a better one just because it will be handmade and not randomly generated like in Oblivion. TESO-Skyrim already has more tree-variety than regular Skyrim, and I expect similar quality for the other provinces.
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Wonder if they'll include Sutch in Cyrodiil. Anyway it seems that they retconned it, if Talos truly did Chim Jungle Cyrodiil out from existence then there won't be any record of it being jungle existed. However there are such record.
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no thats not how it works. Thats just a theory that has no base.

I never said Skyrim is boring. I said cyrod in Oblivion is. Cause it is. It does NOT have a varied envirement, it just doesnt.
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(October 4th 2012, 07:51 AM)Sordak Wrote: no thats not how it works. Thats just a theory that has no base.

I have lived basically in a jungle in Malaysia. I know what jungles are like and to have massive battles (200 people on a screen at once) or even more, like they said, in a jungle is pretty much impossible.

This is not Oblivion, this is TES:O. They're gonna enhance Cyrodiil's nature and landscape to make it the center point of action.


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As Beor said, Cyrodiil had marshlands in the south, plains in the east, dense forest in the west, snowy mountains in the north, etc. To say "It doesn't have a varied environment" is just like, your opinion man. It may not be as varied as crazytown Vvardenfell, but that's because Vvardenfell was supposed to be a lush island with a volcano blackening parts of it. Cyrodiil was supposed to be covered in The Great Forest, so it had to be everywhere, and they did a good job of varying it. One could just as easily say that Skyrim was "just all snow"
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that was not what i was talking about.

how a jungle works is not of my concern. Cyrod was never a thick jungle per se. It was just of tropical climate. Just read the Imperial Library.

My post concerned the fact that CHIM works retroactiveley.
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(October 4th 2012, 07:51 AM)Sordak Wrote: no thats not how it works. Thats just a theory that has no base.
Could be. I think the base for that theory, however, is the question of Vivec's apostheosis and the properties of CHIM. This has been adressed in some in-game books and developer-fan-fic-mockery on the forums, but please, don't make me read the sermons again.

Still, why deduce from this problem that ZOS has "no clue about the lore whatsoever"? Considering they have proven to know the lore on several occasions, that both studios share the same lore-resources and that this retcon started with BGS' Oblivion, this claim just has no base. Unless you were simply going for exaggeration for dramatic effect, which I'm a fan of.

(October 4th 2012, 10:16 AM)Sordak Wrote: how a jungle works is not of my concern. Cyrod was never a thick jungle per se. It was just of tropical climate. Just read the Imperial Library.
"There are a few major roads to the west, river paths to the north, and even a canopy tunnel to the Velothi Mountains, but most of Cyrodiil is a river-based society surrounded by jungle."
-1st PGE

Of course, there is no clear definition of what even constitutes a jungle.
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(October 3rd 2012, 11:29 AM)Sordak Wrote: i am not an argonian. i am austrian.

i just want them to stick to the lore. And Cyrodiil as it was in Oblivion was basically a more boring Skyrim.

And the kind of Warfare favored by open lands is not interresting either.

Why is this an issue for you? It seems like more of an issue that the loremonkeys you claim to hate would be concerned about.




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