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The Winds of Winter [Spoilers for ASOIAF]


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So, what do you think will happen in TWoW?

My main areas of interest:
Lady Stoneheart
Nymeria/Giant pack of wolves
Mireen
The Dragons
Daenarys
Rickon
Shaggy Dog
Jon Snow
Cersei's champion
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Argon/Young Griff is far more interesting and also the rightful heir than dany. He and the golden company already are kicking ass and they are basically the most elite army around and never lose so I look forward to that most. Otherwise ayra and her training should be interesting. Of course Jon snow and bran should be very interesting and lastly my man tyrion and his friend bronns plan interest me also if poddrick is alive or dead would be nice since he was looking for Tyrion.


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Yeah, Aegon is much more interesting than Dany. I reckon Dany's going to bite it soon. Part of that might be wishful thinking and the other part is that she was primarily a distraction. Even the dragons weren't supposed to be a part of the books until his granddaughter asked them to be in.

But I don't think Aegon is who he seems. And I think Varys and Illyrio's part in this is more than just for that 'good of the realm' crap they keep on talking about. I think that they are the descendants of the Blackfyres. Varys' constant baldness would mask the fact he had silvery blond hair and the perfumes would make his eyes bloodshot, keeping the Targaryen colour away. I think that Illyrio is not a descendant himself, but rather his first wife was, who was remarked to have silvery-gold hair (tenuous, I know, but I can't think of another reason). Perhaps the offspring of this union was Varys? I don't know, but my bets are on both of them trying to get a Blackfyre dynasty on the throne.

The way they'll do this is for Aegon to ascend to the throne, by pretending to be the lost son of Rhaegar and Elia. This would give him a much stronger claim to the throne than Dany (who, you might recall, Varys wanted to kill earlier on, showing that his loyalties are not to the Targaryens). However, he was actually a descendant from the Blackfyre dynasty, whether a direct line or not. This could be why Varys kept on talking about 'power lies where people think it lies'. People would think Aegon was a Targaryen and therefore the rightful heir to the throne. Instead he was a Blackfyre, but no-one needs to know that, not even Aegon himself.


Arya has remained somewhat distant from the rest of the plot. Despite the many plotlines, they've all woven together. However, Arya just seems to be doing her own thing for a purpose completely outside of the rest of the plot.

Oh, you might want to make it clear that spoilers will be here.
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That is a pretty good theory, but I think Varys just tried to keep up the appearance cause if I am not mistaken he also warned someone of the attempt on Dany's life so that she would not die. The Blackfyre thing would be really interesting though I really do think all the evidence points to Aegon being a targaryen especially how much effort was put into him being hidden and the fact that the story of how he escaped, but then again I could be wrong.

Personally I think for Varys to be anything more than what he is would be a little lame I like him being this nobody I like him being that guy who never had a thing in life a slave a man entrapped and mutilated by circumstance until he found a purpose and I think that story to alter that into some hidden purpose would wipe away all the characters who came from nothing. It is the same reason that even though I know it is probably not the case I always wanted Jon to truly be a bastard though we all know that is doubtful I want some of the characters to be just what they are not more not less.

Arya my honest opinion on that is she is going to probably become a pivotal player behind the scenes and starting eliminating not only those who she wants revenge on, but also those that are darkening and endangering the world I feel like she will begin to thin the herd of enemies slowly, but surely or something of that nature. Perhaps her story will stay unattached and it will just end with her doing her own thing, but I feel like at some point she is going to most likely kill Cersie and some others.

I agree on Dany as well I would prefer for her to just be either killed or stay put I have very little interest in her and despite her popularity I never really saw her as that great of a character and in fact the characters who advise her and surround her Barristan Jorah Dario are all far more interesting and just generally better suited for what she wants to do then she is.
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I can actually imagine, and would kind of want this to happen, Dany and Aegon getting married.

Dany has three dragons, but only has one "head of the dragon", she needs two more. Aegon could be one. Then she only needs to find one more, which would hopefully be Jon Snow (if resurrected) or (and only counting those in the Seven Kingdoms/from the Seven Kingdoms) possibly even Trystane Martell.

Another thing I could see is Dany being sympathetic to the Starks situation. Yes, I know that Ned Stark was instrumental in removing Aerys from the throne, but they also have a lot of similarities. One, both have been (for the most part) ousted from power. Two, most of the members of their family are dead, or believed dead. Three, Arya and Dany are strong women, who have spent a decent amount of time out of the Seven Kingdoms. I would love to see an alliance between House Stark and House Targaryen. Dany also strikes me as the type of person that would, at least temporarily, ally with Stannis to fight back the Others (and maybe help the Starks). All that would need to be arranged is the death of Stannis...


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Nah, Dany is way too driven by emotion to consider an alliance with Stannis. Also, Stannis would know that Dany's ultimate aim would be the iron Throne, so why would he help her?

Honestly, I think the Targaryen's coming to the Throne would be a pretty bad outcome. Let's not forget that every time a Targaryen is born, the God's flip a coin. Because of the huge amount of inbreeding, the Targaryen house would end up producing such demons like Joffrey, Maelor the Monstrous, Aerys the Mad...

And let's forget Dany is a pretty bad ruler herself.

"Khaleesi, there is an ancient civilisation within this city, with a culture and system you know nothing about."
"Lolz, lets destroy it."
"But Khaleesi..."
"I HAZ DRAGONZ!"

I'm not the biggest Dany fan...

Anyways, I highly doubt there being any alliance between Stark, Stannis or Targaryen.


The theory on Arya is interesting, but the risk remains that she will become to involved with the Many-Faced God. I'm seeing a strong link between all the Gods, and I don't think they're the good guys...

Take, for example, R'hllor. Supposedly, he's supposed to be the arch enemy of the Night King, and is supposed to hold back the tide of Others and Wights. However, through his magic, the dead have been revived. Also, the faith of R'hllor comes from the East, where as, as far as we know, the Others are only a part of Westeros. My thinking is that they are two sides of the same coin, either achieving the same ends or are the same figure.


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Stark and Stannis already has happened and most likely will happen again in some capcity considering especially the situation with the wall and honestly I think Stanniss in spite of a few things would actually make a good king and such and he is a friend of the north and respects them so it would lead them to most likely chose any side he would be the most fitting for them and the most beneficial.

R'Hllor and the others are oppositional forces I think they are both just basically forces well Ice and Fire they are I mean the others bring back the dead as lifeless mindless monsters R'hllor brings back only the worthy at the price of basically a little of their soul and a little of their essence so considering that I think they are definitely different entities with different goals that are against each other, both equally have some messed up shit going on.

As for the gods being good objectively R'hllor is the easiest to see as good many faced god as neutral or uncaring as for the other force obviously it is easy to see it as evil, but perhaps in any light either could be such. As if the world froze it would give a new start for new life and wipe away all the blood shed humanity has caused so I mean its all objective ya know.

Yea again Dany is just yea I don't understand why she is so popular Aegon is much better so here is hoping that is the main targaryen story line from this point forward lol.
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What if the Seven Kingdoms ended up being multiple kingdoms again?


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Sorry, I meant Dany wouldn't ally with the Baratheons or Starks. She'd just go at everything with dragons. Providing she gets there in the first place...

However, I do not think the North will truly support Stannis. I think there will always be an underlying desire to be independent once again, or at least have a lord of their own choosing. I think the fact that Robb Stark's will has not yet resurfaced with Howland Reed shows that the will of the North is not settled yet. I suspect that Robb has legitimised Jon- seeing as he believes his brothers to be dead- and, due to his kingly abilities, un-bastardised him. Due to some complex loop-hole, Jon could pull it off, claiming that Jon Snow promised never to hold titles, but Jon Stark did not. Moreover, if Howland Reed does resurface, then he would know what happened at the Tower of Joy. If Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna's child (which I kinda hope isn't true, seeing as it's a pretty common theory), then that would make him a possible claimant. Now, depending on how the will was written, he could either be named Jon Stark, or Jon Targaryen. If he was named Jon Stark, he would only be named King in the North. However, as Jon Targaryen, he is King of the North and of the Iron Chair, uniting the kingdoms in a fashion everyone likes. Apart from the Lannisters, Boltons, Freys, Dany etc...

I suspect that some of the Northern Lords know about this plan. Manderly certainly has something up his sleeve. I suspect that Davos will not find Rickon at Skagos, and that it is merely a distraction. Or that there is something else in Skagos which Manderly needs. There is also Lyanna Mormont, who in one letter told Stannis to piss off, and in the next came to his aid.
Now, what makes Jon a more appealing choice that Stannis? Well, first off, he has Stark blood through his mother's side. Secondly, Stannis has no immediate heir. Sure, there's Shireen, but with the Greyscale, how long is she going to last? Even if she does. House Baratheon will fade, prompting another war. The last reason is Melisandre. The Northmen don't like the Southroners mocking the Old Gods; what are they going to do when Melisandre starts burning them?

Of course, Jon has been stabbed multiple times. That does tend to hinder one's ability to lead a rebellion. There are a number of ways he could have survived this, or will live. One is that he does an Orell and inhabits Ghost when he dies. It's also rather hard to lead a rebellion when you're a wolf. Or, he could have been resurrected by Melisandre, seeing as she's a Red Priest and they (Thoros) tend to do that sort of thing.


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I think that someone could lead the North to freedom (*hey Jon*), the Stormlands would belong to Aegon, who would somehow get Dorne under his control. If someone kills Euron, then the Iron Islands could ally with the North or the Westerlands. The Westerlands and Reach (pending Margaery being declared innocent) would band together, possibly with the Crowlands. The Riverlands would go back to the Tullys, and the North. The Vale would go with the North.

Or, it could be like in Robert's Rebellion. The problem with that though is the Stormlands are under (or soon-to-be) under Aegon's control. So, it could look like Aegon: Stormlands, Dorne. North: The North. Iron Throne: Crowlands, the Reach, the Westerlands, the Riverlands (officially with the Freys). The Iron Islands would go to wherever scares them the most. The Vale would probably go to the North/Iron Throne, if Littlefinger's plot works. If Littlefinger's plot works, that would cause quite a stir...


Also, how would the situation in the Seven Kingdoms have changed if someone besides Robert had been crowned king? It says, on the ASOIAF wikia, that Houses Stark, Tully, Arryn, and Baratheon chose to stand behind Robert, who had the best claim. What if Jon or Eddard or Hoster had become the King? What do you think would have happened?
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I was just thinking... If Aegon is really Aegon, and he meets up with Dany and her dragons, and becomes one of the dragon heads, which head will he become? Will he ride Drogon or one of the others? HINT: It is not Drogon. Also, would Arriane or Jon Connington become one of the other heads?


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It's pretty unlikely that Aegon would meet up with Dany because in the last book Aegon was planning on leading the siege of Storm's End in Westeros whereas Dany is somewhere in Essos still after being abducted by a dragon (I'm not entirely certain but I've heard that Dany landed in the Dothraki Sea and was found by some Khal).

If you're referring to the prince that was promised thing then I'm pretty sure Dany is the prince that was promised as Aemon believed.

For example the prince must be of the blood of the dragon (both Dany and Aegon can boast that), the return of the dragons (Dany hatched three of which). The other three requirements (born amidst salt and smoke and a bleeding star appearing in the sky) can be attributed to Dany and not Aegon if we assume that when Dany walked into Drogo's funeral pyre she was "reborn".

If Dany is the prince that was promissed then the other two heads could be either Grey Worm, Ser Barristan, or Daario Naharis.
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I know this is not The Winds of Winter, but I found a cool thread. Take a look and tell me what you think, please.

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/top...of-asoiaf/


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