Weapon and Armor Crafting

so the professions are:

Armor crafting
Weapon crafting
Alchemy
Cooking
Enchanting

dont you think it would be better if Armoring was broken down to:

Armorsmithing
Leatherworking
Tailoring
?

and btw, who crafts jewlery? enchanters?

Jewelry usually falls under armor crafting, and I don´t think that armor crafting should be divided into smaller parts. And who even want´s to specialize in e.g. leather working when you can use far more better materials to craft armor (and other things) rather easily?

NO i think breaking down Armorsmith to 3 different types is bad idea, since you will haw perks that will probably benefir some types more then others, not to mention Weapon smith will haw to be broken down too, since you haw 6 weapon types... which as well will haw there own perks...

As to Jewellery... well i had same question... tecnicly it will go into Armorsmith category, but not 100% there... since i believe its stupid of Weaponsmith to make Staffs... i am betting that Staff will enter into Enchanting.

So my estimate is, and this pure Speculation:
Professions will divide into different perk "trees"

Armorsmith - Heavy; Medium; Light; Accessories;
Weaponsmith - Swords; Axes; Maces; Bows; OR 1h weapons; 2h weapons; Range weapons; Shields;
Enchanting - Staffs; Armor Enchants; Weapon Enchants; ........ somthing somthing......;

So if by Mastering they mean completely filling (possibly) 4 difrent perk trees, aka you master this profession, and if you want to be Jack of all trades and focus into specifics, you could only fill 1 perk tree of each or so professions.

But this is my pure speculation, or its what i would haw done. Who knows what they haw instored for us.

Armorsmith covers all three armor types because that's what they all are.. armor. Why do we need three armorers? @Ewan Why wouldn't the armor smith make shields also? As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them. And staves made by a weapon smith does make sense, a staff is a weapon.

(April 29th 2013, 10:45 AM)Tyrvan Wrote: Armorsmith covers all three armor types because that's what they all are.. armor. Why do we need three armorers? @Ewan Why wouldn't the armor smith make shields also? As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them. And staves made by a weapon smith does make sense, a staff is a weapon.

Yes because you need a Hammer and Anvil to make piece of Wood shoot Fire Ice and Lightning, and since When Shield is armor? do you where it on your head? you legs? then you contra dict you self by saying "As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them"... srly... did you thin before you type that.... ok sry i am in a bad mood, plz take no offense to what i said.

(April 29th 2013, 10:57 AM)Ewan Wrote:

(April 29th 2013, 10:45 AM)Tyrvan Wrote: Armorsmith covers all three armor types because that's what they all are.. armor. Why do we need three armorers? @Ewan Why wouldn't the armor smith make shields also? As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them. And staves made by a weapon smith does make sense, a staff is a weapon.

Yes because you need a Hammer and Anvil to make piece of Wood shoot Fire Ice and Lightning, and since When Shield is armor? do you where it on your head? you legs? then you contra dict you self by saying "As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them"... srly... did you thin before you type that.... ok sry i am in a bad mood, plz take no offense to what i said.

Uummm.. yeah? Enchanting won't conjure up a staff from nothing. Ever play Oblivion? When you get into the Arcane University one of the first things you do is get a staff, and guess from what? A piece of wood carved into a staff, that you must enchant to make useful. So you do technically enchant staves to give them power, but I'd say it makes more sense for weapon smiths to craft the wood than for enchanters to magically conjure staves from their imagination. And yes.. shield is armor. Why would it be considered a weapon? You wear them to protect yourself, hence the armorsmith would craft them.

Shields are armour. Have been in every TES game. And in real life.

(April 29th 2013, 12:15 PM)Ferroc Wrote: Shields are armour. Have been in every TES game. And in real life.

"The shield was the most widespread defensive weapon in the world."

"Different types of shields were developed to take account of the forms of offensive weapons used in battle and the degree of protection and mobility required by the warrior."

"Shield: A generic word covering all defensive weapons"
-Complete Encyclopaedia of Arms and Weapons

Am i missing somthin? since when defensive weapon is armor :S?

You could make the same argument about armoured gauntlets. Anyways they are classified as armour in TES so really that's what matters most.

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And defensive weapons could really kinda be classified as armour.....weapon implies some form of offense. Personally I like the idea of using a shield as an offensive tool.....but I still think of it loosely as armour.

(April 29th 2013, 11:06 AM)Tyrvan Wrote:

(April 29th 2013, 10:57 AM)Ewan Wrote:

(April 29th 2013, 10:45 AM)Tyrvan Wrote: Armorsmith covers all three armor types because that's what they all are.. armor. Why do we need three armorers? @Ewan Why wouldn't the armor smith make shields also? As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them. And staves made by a weapon smith does make sense, a staff is a weapon.

Yes because you need a Hammer and Anvil to make piece of Wood shoot Fire Ice and Lightning, and since When Shield is armor? do you where it on your head? you legs? then you contra dict you self by saying "As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them"... srly... did you thin before you type that.... ok sry i am in a bad mood, plz take no offense to what i said.

Uummm.. yeah? Enchanting won't conjure up a staff from nothing. Ever play Oblivion? When you get into the Arcane University one of the first things you do is get a staff, and guess from what? A piece of wood carved into a staff, that you must enchant to make useful. So you do technically enchant staves to give them power, but I'd say it makes more sense for weapon smiths to craft the wood than for enchanters to magically conjure staves from their imagination. And yes.. shield is armor. Why would it be considered a weapon? You wear them to protect yourself, hence the armorsmith would craft them.

" that you must enchant to make useful." ... so you say you must enchant to make useful... and then say staffs are made by Weaponsmith? ... and not enchanting?
And since when weaponSMITH are responsible of carwing WOOD into Staff shape? If you told me a BATTLESTAFF made from iron, then sure a weaponssmith/blacksmith would be responsible of making them, but a Destruction Staff that shoots magic... well that's completely different story.
A wood staff will be just another material, since when you haw to magically conjure any type of material? ... your whole argument is so stupid its like trying to talk with a chilled. By your logic "lather" that is use to make weapons is also magically conjured by blacksmiths too? Or is it a material gathered from "World" and adapted to be used for Blacksmithing to craft a weapon? So why would you say "but I'd say it makes more sense for weapon smiths to craft the wood than for enchanters to magically conjure staves from their imagination", and i would say it make more sense that a Woodworker, who is commonly considered the design and building of custom wood projects, make a dam thin and Sell it to enchanter...

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(April 29th 2013, 04:59 PM)Ferroc Wrote: You could make the same argument about armoured gauntlets. Anyways they are classified as armour in TES so really that's what matters most.

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And defensive weapons could really kinda be classified as armour.....weapon implies some form of offense. Personally I like the idea of using a shield as an offensive tool.....but I still think of it loosely as armour.

SO WHY IS SHIELD IN WEAPON SKILL TREE AND NOT IN ARMOR SKILL TREE. sry for the rage.

The item is classsified as armour. Any other game shows you that. A shield on its own is not a weapon. But SWORD AND BOARD is a style of FIGHTING. One-hander and a shield. So it's a weapon skill line. Shields can be used as weapons but in most games, if not all, they are armour. Look at Skyrim. Shields were armour. If you wore all heavy armour except for a shield (and the shield was light armour) you wouldn't get the bonuses in the heavy armour skill treefor wearing all heavy.

(April 29th 2013, 05:04 PM)Ewan Wrote:

(April 29th 2013, 11:06 AM)Tyrvan Wrote:

(April 29th 2013, 10:57 AM)Ewan Wrote:

(April 29th 2013, 10:45 AM)Tyrvan Wrote: Armorsmith covers all three armor types because that's what they all are.. armor. Why do we need three armorers? @Ewan Why wouldn't the armor smith make shields also? As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them. And staves made by a weapon smith does make sense, a staff is a weapon.

Yes because you need a Hammer and Anvil to make piece of Wood shoot Fire Ice and Lightning, and since When Shield is armor? do you where it on your head? you legs? then you contra dict you self by saying "As for jewlery, I'd go with armorer because anything worn is made by them"... srly... did you thin before you type that.... ok sry i am in a bad mood, plz take no offense to what i said.

Uummm.. yeah? Enchanting won't conjure up a staff from nothing. Ever play Oblivion? When you get into the Arcane University one of the first things you do is get a staff, and guess from what? A piece of wood carved into a staff, that you must enchant to make useful. So you do technically enchant staves to give them power, but I'd say it makes more sense for weapon smiths to craft the wood than for enchanters to magically conjure staves from their imagination. And yes.. shield is armor. Why would it be considered a weapon? You wear them to protect yourself, hence the armorsmith would craft them.

" that you must enchant to make useful." ... so you say you must enchant to make useful... and then say staffs are made by Weaponsmith? ... and not enchanting?
And since when weaponSMITH are responsible of carwing WOOD into Staff shape? If you told me a BATTLESTAFF made from iron, then sure a weaponssmith/blacksmith would be responsible of making them, but a Destruction Staff that shoots magic... well that's completely different story.
A wood staff will be just another material, since when you haw to magically conjure any type of material? ... your whole argument is so stupid its like trying to talk with a chilled. By your logic "lather" that is use to make weapons is also magically conjured by blacksmiths too? Or is it a material gathered from "World" and adapted to be used for Blacksmithing to craft a weapon? So why would you say "but I'd say it makes more sense for weapon smiths to craft the wood than for enchanters to magically conjure staves from their imagination", and i would say it make more sense that a Woodworker, who is commonly considered the design and building of custom wood projects, make a dam thin and Sell it to enchanter...

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(April 29th 2013, 04:59 PM)Ferroc Wrote: You could make the same argument about armoured gauntlets. Anyways they are classified as armour in TES so really that's what matters most.

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And defensive weapons could really kinda be classified as armour.....weapon implies some form of offense. Personally I like the idea of using a shield as an offensive tool.....but I still think of it loosely as armour.

SO WHY IS SHIELD IN WEAPON SKILL TREE AND NOT IN ARMOR SKILL TREE. sry for the rage.

Dude I'm tired of you acting like an ass and then apologizing for it. Your arguments make no sense, the way you present your point is both rude and immature, and obviously it's a very touchy subject for you for some reason. I'm done with this pointless discussion. We'll just see what happens in-game but try not to break your computer when enchanters can't create staves out of nothing.

(April 29th 2013, 05:21 PM)Tyrvan Wrote: Your arguments make no sense, the way you present your point is both rude and immature, and obviously it's a very touchy subject for you for some reason.

You claim my arguments make no sense when you present statements like this : "but I'd say it makes more sense for weapon smiths to craft the wood than for enchanters to magically conjure staves from their imagination"
So please tell me which of my arguments make no sense to you?

....uh you realize it does make more sense for a weaponsmith to carve a piece of wood than it does for an enchanter (not a sorcerer, not a conjurer, an enchanter) to poof a stick out of nowhere...?

(April 29th 2013, 05:33 PM)Ferroc Wrote: ....uh you realize it does make more sense for a weaponsmith to carve a piece of wood than it does for an enchanter (not a sorcerer, not a conjurer, an enchanter) to poof a stick out of nowhere...?

well that cent be used as argument, since to make weapon you need other materials besides metals, like Lather, by this logic you say Latherworker makes weapons... Wooden staff is just a material, what counts is finished product, and Weaponsmith, as far as i know cent Enchant magical items... unlike Enchanter.