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Which is the best faction "government"?


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This topic is to discuss which faction leader and ideals that the different factions support that you think are the best. Just because you think that the Ebonheart pact have the coolest leader doesn't necessarily mean that you prefer their ideas.

I, for one, think that the different factions have both positive and negative sides. For example, I believe that the Daggerfall Convenant have by far the best ideals, to unite all of Tamriel once again into a single empire, where everyone share the same rights. However, their leader seem to me to be worse than the other faction leaders. He doesn't strike me as very impressive, and from what I gather form the Daggerfall convenants' page on the official website he seems to be doing all of this only to protect his business.

The Ebonheart pact and the Aldmeri Dominion have worse ideals, but their leaders are much cooler than the DC's. The Aldmeri queen is the one I respect the most, and that's interesting considering that I find teh Aldmeri ideals to be the very worst of the bunch (but I've always been a sucker for the warrior-queen character, so that might be why). The Ebonheart pact great moot where all three faction leaders of the EP share the rule is really nice aswell, and their High-king is pretty badass himself.

What do you guys think?
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i consider the ebonheart pacts ideals to be the ones to aspire to.
The Covenant wants a world ruled form a centralistic government through trade.

living in the EU. i can only tell you that that doesnt work.

And the Aldmeri want to force their view on the world anyway, wich from my point of view is not something i see as something that i can hold in regard.

The EP is a faction that prefers isolation. i can understand that the most.
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(November 25th 2012, 08:36 AM)Sordak Wrote: i consider the ebonheart pacts ideals to be the ones to aspire to.
The Covenant wants a world ruled form a centralistic government through trade.

living in the EU. i can only tell you that that doesnt work.

And the Aldmeri want to force their view on the world anyway, wich from my point of view is not something i see as something that i can hold in regard.

The EP is a faction that prefers isolation. i can understand that the most.

I live in the EU too, and I agree that it's close to nonfunctional, but that's not because the idea in itself is bad, it's just that it's been handled poorly, mostly by the french (but nevermind).

The problem with the Ebonheart pact is what you seem to support: isolation. While isolation to some degree is good, complete isolation will only create alienation between the different groups and ultimately lead to a stagnated society. Working together is the easier way to move forward.


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since the bretons are the french my point is still valid.

Actually i dont think so. isolation is what did both the real world and the world of tamriel best over the ages.
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I've always seen the bretons as some sort of hybrid of the brittish and dutch, but that's not important.

As I said earlier, I think isolation is only good up to a certain point, from where it'll only cause more harm than good. Isolation should be there to preserve culture and tradition, aswell as local business, so as to keep diversity and uniqueness (something we've not done well). But if isolation is the main guide to leading a society it'll only weaken it by pushing away other societies who could potentially help by bringing in more diversity and ideas.


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I believe that the Ebonheart Pact has the best way of running their alliance. I like the fact that choices must be ratified by the two other races. However, I do not agree with them after that fact.

The Daggerfall Covenant I believe is just trying to protect their businesses, supporting their aristocracy. This is something that I cannot agree with.

That leaves the Aldmeri Dominion. I like the Altmer (I like all elvish races actually) and I agree with Queen Ayrenn that the races of man are childish and not "wise enough" as a species to rule all of Tamriel. This leads me to the conclusion that as an alliance, we are the most experienced and long-lived races. Our continued existence is a testimate to our ability to lead an empire and adapt to changes. And besides, almost all of the other cultures, language, and religion have some aspect of the Aldmer/Altmer society in them.


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im sorry we are getting into real life politics here and i honestly had enaugh of that the other day with triskele.
if you watched that discussion you probably know what i think of the matter.

The thing is. this is TES. And most countries other than the imperium only prospered when they were left alone (black marsh and morrowind beeing a prime example)
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(November 25th 2012, 08:36 AM)Sordak Wrote: i consider the ebonheart pacts ideals to be the ones to aspire to.
The Covenant wants a world ruled form a centralistic government through trade.

living in the EU. i can only tell you that that doesnt work.

What are you talking about? It's working swimmingly... Just not for the benefit of it's citizens, which it is not intended. Though it's definitely doing what it's designed to do.
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DC create a free trade society. While it is more democratic then the others it centralises on trade.
AD are less democratic but lead by a powerful figurehead. While this is good, what if the figurehead after her was weak. Then it would just be a power-play between Altmer nobles. Also, they believe that Mer are the master race which reminds me way too much of Hitler.
EP aren't really anywhere in their politics as they have three, completely different cultures intertwined. While it is democratic it doesn't really hold a political ground.

In the end they're all useless (like actual governments) so just pick the race you like best.
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(November 25th 2012, 09:31 AM)Archmage Rythis Wrote: I believe that the Ebonheart Pact has the best way of running their alliance. I like the fact that choices must be ratified by the two other races. However, I do not agree with them after that fact.

The Daggerfall Covenant I believe is just trying to protect their businesses, supporting their aristocracy. This is something that I cannot agree with.

That leaves the Aldmeri Dominion. I like the Altmer (I like all elvish races actually) and I agree with Queen Ayrenn that the races of man are childish and not "wise enough" as a species to rule all of Tamriel. This leads me to the conclusion that as an alliance, we are the most experienced and long-lived races. Our continued existence is a testimate to our ability to lead an empire and adapt to changes. And besides, almost all of the other cultures, language, and religion have some aspect of the Aldmer/Altmer society in them.

I agree that the Ebonheart pact way of ruling, shared by all three races, is the best way to rule amongst all the factions.

The Daggerfall convenant isn't what you describe it as, what you're saying as only what the DC ruler, High king Emeric wants. Taken from elderscrolls.wikia: "The Daggerfall Covenant seeks to run the Imperial Government democratically, allowing each citizen to have a voice in Tamriel." Emeric is a prick, I agree, but don't judge the entire alliance by the misguidance of one man. It's problematic that he is the de facto ruler of the group, but hopefully we won't have to play the game as if we love everything he does, only because he's our faction leader.

The aldmeri dominion in TESO seems to be different from the 2nd AD that we see in Skyrim. Where the 2nd AD believed that they were the only ones fit to rule, the AD in TESO seem to think that no one else is fit to rule. It's a slight difference, and a good one, but only because the races of man are younger and more inexperienced doesn't mean that they should have nothing to say. The AD want to look out for everybody else, but they are driven by pride and as such seem to forget that man, even though younger and more rash than mer, have still survived this far, and that they have actually fought less than the races of mer have, at least amongst themselves.
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The Dominion stands for using logic and reason as the means to govern. It is close to the wisdom of the ancients represented by the philosopher kings described by Plato.

"I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims.

The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake.

Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.

Stand with us."
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They are all far from ideal for me, but... Ebonheart Pact probably. But then, they are really the one's with apparently the least plans for the new government after their victory and the least stable of the alliances. Probably they would be in each other's throats if they would win.

(November 25th 2012, 10:58 AM)Meridus Wrote: The Daggerfall convenant isn't what you describe it as, what you're saying as only what the DC ruler, High king Emeric wants. Taken from elderscrolls.wikia: "The Daggerfall Covenant seeks to run the Imperial Government democratically, allowing each citizen to have a voice in Tamriel." Emeric is a prick, I agree, but don't judge the entire alliance by the misguidance of one man.

I think the problem is that who would count as a citizen?

For the other species, in alliances and outside them, to be both included yet obedient to the new DC government would basically demand an overwhelming military victory for DC that would utterly crush the resistance of those species not taking part in it.
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I dont do politics..if the price is right ill do the job ;)
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