Who Truly Deserves to Rule?

Who deserves to rule in your opinion?

Does the story and Lore influence your opinion or do you just prefer one side to another? Let me know!

Well I think a Tamriel ruled by Khajiit would be cool and trade would flourish but diplomatically the EP would be a better choice as the Elves would destroy mundus and the Bretons would be SUPER harsh on the races of Mer.

(September 27th 2013, 12:53 PM)ragnar-ice blood Wrote: but diplomatically the EP would be a better choice as the Elves would destroy mundus and the Bretons would be SUPER harsh on the races of Mer.

Unmake mundus is the Thalmor's idea, and not every altmer think this way, and why do you think that about the Bretons? the only time they "fought" againts the elves was when the took the lands of high rock from the Direnni family, but they didn't killed anyone, the Direnni still live on Balfiera Island. You could say that there was the siege of orsinium but nobody treat the orcs as mer.


Actually, besides the Imperials, the Bretons have the most chance of keeping and empire together imo. The altmer would never accept rulership of Skyrim, the same apply to the Nords, their culture is just the opposite of each other. However the bretons, being the result of miscegenation, would have enough of both cultures to keep them together.

(September 27th 2013, 03:55 PM)Regulus Wrote:

(September 27th 2013, 12:53 PM)ragnar-ice blood Wrote: but diplomatically the EP would be a better choice as the Elves would destroy mundus and the Bretons would be SUPER harsh on the races of Mer.

Unmake mundus is the Thalmor's idea, and not every altmer think this way, and why do you think that about the Bretons? the only time they "fought" againts the elves was when the took the lands of high rock from the Direnni family, but they didn't killed anyone, the Direnni still live on Balfiera Island. You could say that there was the siege of orsinium but nobody treat the orcs as mer.


Actually, besides the Imperials, the Bretons have the most chance of keeping and empire together imo. The altmer would never accept rulership of Skyrim, the same apply to the Nords, their culture is just the opposite of each other. However the bretons, being the result of miscegenation, would have enough of both cultures to keep them together.

Unmake mundus is not the Thalmor´s idea, it´s the Thalmor´s idea to do so by killing all human.

Unmake mundus is the Altmer´s dream. Every Altmer´s dream. Just looks like a nightmare to everyone else.

Therefor Altmer should gain control of Tamriel, atleast we are talking about the 4th and following eras, so that there is enough plot to create a 'résistance' story for the next games (Beside Landfall). Also I would like to see them disappointed when they finally realize that they will never succeed, which will probably cause mass suicide...

But to other reason...

they have
-space travel
-mass teleportation
-the most developed magic
-the best mages of all Tamriel and probably all Nirn (very few exceptions)


-they descend from the guys who built the towers and harvested the very energy of creatia

-they managed to turn a defeat into a thriumph, achieving all their foreign affairs aims

-one of them (KW) did not only achieve godhood, like cultural gods or the wrong Tribunal gods... he achieved divinity and a space amongst the other heavenly bodies

The only bad, they won´t ever achieve CHIM...

EDIT:

Wait, there is already a thread like this on here.

Emeric Deserves to rule. He's the best choice, because he's not arrogant like the nords, or powermad like the elves. Trade could flourish and the empire would reign supreme.

This is a very subjective question. It gives way to many different possibilities in relation to where you sit on the fence, or rather, the bean bag split into thirds. To understand the question, we must first look at each faction individually. All information that will be provided has been sourced from elderscrolls.wikia.com, The Elder Scrolls Wiki.

AD's reason for creation: concerned about what the 'young races' would do to the world, and with the recent news of Molag Bal worship corrupting the Imperial City, the Altmer, the Bosmer, and the Khajiit joined forces to quell the impending destruction the other races may cause.

AD's intention: take the Ruby Throne and restore Elven rule.

AD's strengths (based on racial traits and lore): magical prowess (Altmer), marksmanship (Bosmer), defense (Bosmer), cultural powerhouse, longevity, knowledge, underhandedness (Khajiit, Bosmer), surveillance, patience.

AD's weaknesses (based on racial traits and lore): isolationism (Altmer), cultural differences, stubbornness, pompous demeanor (Altmer).

DC's reason for creation: due to the stopping of trade in the region, and the impoverishment and suffering of everyone in the region, the Merchant King Emeric of Wayrest united the Bretons, the Redguards and the Orcs under one banner to rid any enemies that seek to disrupt the flow of coin.

DC's intention: restore trade in High Rock and Hammerfell, while instilling fear into those who dispute their rule.

DC's strengths: big business (Breton), politics (Breton), magical prowess (Breton), physical strength (Orsimer, Redguard), honorable (Orsimer, Redguard), talented artificers (Orsimer, Breton), athleticism (Redguard), resourceful (Breton), conditioned to warfare (Orsimer), conditioned to harsh climates, diplomacy (Breton).

DC's weaknesses: distrust between races, arrogance (Bretons), bureaucratic inefficiency (Bretons), underpopulated (IRL, for the time being, and in lore).

EP's reason for creation: the Second Akaviri Invasion saw Windhelm sacked, and Jorunn the Skald-King being the only surviving member of Skyrim's royal family, Jorunn sought the guidance of the Greybeards. With the counsel and support of the Greybeards, they summoned Ysmir/Wulfharth the Ash-King from Sovngarde to help guide the Nord forces to drive the Akaviri forces out of Skyrim. As luck would have it, the Nords pushed the Akaviri army into a battle against the Dunmer and the Argonians. This event prompted the Great Moot, and in turn, the Ebonheart Pact.

EP's intention: to stop threats like the Akaviri Invasions and other such events.

EP's strengths: battle-hardened (Nord), strategic ability (Dunmer), diplomacy (Dunmer), defense (Argonian, Dunmer), conditioned to extreme climates, brute strength (Nord), magical prowess (Dunmer), skirmishes (Argonian), underhandedness (Argonian).

EP's weaknesses: xenophobic, fragile alliance, overpopulation (IRL for the time being(some may call it a blessing; others, a curse)).

Based on this, one can formulate who they believe has the greatest intentions. Personally, I don't know. I just revel at the chance of fighting for something I don't particularly like - capitalism.

what about imperials?

(September 27th 2013, 09:47 PM)Sir DJ Fails-Alot Wrote: This is a very subjective question. It gives way to many different possibilities in relation to where you sit on the fence, or rather, the bean bag split into thirds. To understand the question, we must first look at each faction individually. All information that will be provided has been sourced from elderscrolls.wikia.com, The Elder Scrolls Wiki.

AD's reason for creation: concerned about what the 'young races' would do to the world, and with the recent news of Molag Bal worship corrupting the Imperial City, the Altmer, the Bosmer, and the Khajiit joined forces to quell the impending destruction the other races may cause.

AD's intention: take the Ruby Throne and restore Elven rule.

AD's strengths (based on racial traits and lore): magical prowess (Altmer), marksmanship (Bosmer), defense (Bosmer), cultural powerhouse, longevity, knowledge, underhandedness (Khajiit, Bosmer), surveillance, patience.

AD's weaknesses (based on racial traits and lore): isolationism (Altmer), cultural differences, stubbornness, pompous demeanor (Altmer).

DC's reason for creation: due to the stopping of trade in the region, and the impoverishment and suffering of everyone in the region, the Merchant King Emeric of Wayrest united the Bretons, the Redguards and the Orcs under one banner to rid any enemies that seek to disrupt the flow of coin.

DC's intention: restore trade in High Rock and Hammerfell, while instilling fear into those who dispute their rule.

DC's strengths: big business (Breton), politics (Breton), magical prowess (Breton), physical strength (Orsimer, Redguard), honorable (Orsimer, Redguard), talented artificers (Orsimer, Breton), athleticism (Redguard), resourceful (Breton), conditioned to warfare (Orsimer), conditioned to harsh climates, diplomacy (Breton).

DC's weaknesses: distrust between races, arrogance (Bretons), bureaucratic inefficiency (Bretons), underpopulated (IRL, for the time being, and in lore).

EP's reason for creation: the Second Akaviri Invasion saw Windhelm sacked, and Jorunn the Skald-King being the only surviving member of Skyrim's royal family, Jorunn sought the guidance of the Greybeards. With the counsel and support of the Greybeards, they summoned Ysmir/Wulfharth the Ash-King from Sovngarde to help guide the Nord forces to drive the Akaviri forces out of Skyrim. As luck would have it, the Nords pushed the Akaviri army into a battle against the Dunmer and the Argonians. This event prompted the Great Moot, and in turn, the Ebonheart Pact.

EP's intention: to stop threats like the Akaviri Invasions and other such events.

EP's strengths: battle-hardened (Nord), strategic ability (Dunmer), diplomacy (Dunmer), defense (Argonian, Dunmer), conditioned to extreme climates, brute strength (Nord), magical prowess (Dunmer), skirmishes (Argonian), underhandedness (Argonian).

EP's weaknesses: xenophobic, fragile alliance, overpopulation (IRL for the time being(some may call it a blessing; others, a curse)).

Based on this, one can formulate who they believe has the greatest intentions. Personally, I don't know. I just revel at the chance of fighting for something I don't particularly like - capitalism.

The underpopulation thing for the Bretons is not correct at all in the lore. Daggerfall has more than 100000 Citizens in the lore...

AD all the way we are here to preserve the lands of Tamriel not make sure our raods are clear so me and make more coin for the fat cats in Daggerfall if it really came down to a person to rule all of Tamriel anyone from the EP or AD would be fine by me just not the DCEO's

Well I wonder if the Bretons make so bad rulers why most of the Emperor has been Bretons or has spent their youth in High Rock...

Seriously an Altmer on the throne would be terrible. A Bosmer.... doubtfully if they would be good rulers, and a Khajiit would make Skooma trade legal most likely wich is not a good thing...

(September 28th 2013, 10:52 AM)Archmage Alator Wrote: The underpopulation thing for the Bretons is not correct at all in the lore. Daggerfall has more than 100000 Citizens in the lore...

I would say that if not underpopulated yet, that it would be headed that way. This is, after all, during a time of economic collapse and impoverishment. Looking at how the Great Depression affected us, there were many suicides, especially among businessmen. The rich were then middle/working class, and the working class had nothing but a small amount of kindling for their fire in their wallets. If suicide was their way out, wouldn't it be similar in other situations of major economic collapses? On top of a possibly high suicide rate, there's the poverty that ensues in this region. It is, after all, the reason Emeric was crowned High King. Who better to bring back prosperity, food and gold back to a dying region than a merchant king?

(September 29th 2013, 02:29 AM)Sir DJ Fails-Alot Wrote:

(September 28th 2013, 10:52 AM)Archmage Alator Wrote: The underpopulation thing for the Bretons is not correct at all in the lore. Daggerfall has more than 100000 Citizens in the lore...

I would say that if not underpopulated yet, that it would be headed that way. This is, after all, during a time of economic collapse and impoverishment. Looking at how the Great Depression affected us, there were many suicides, especially among businessmen. The rich were then middle/working class, and the working class had nothing but a small amount of kindling for their fire in their wallets. If suicide was their way out, wouldn't it be similar in other situations of major economic collapses? On top of a possibly high suicide rate, there's the poverty that ensues in this region. It is, after all, the reason Emeric was crowned High King. Who better to bring back prosperity, food and gold back to a dying region than a merchant king?

The other provinces are more likely to face underpopulation, High Rock is the last province I would call underpopulated. And you said that they already were wich is not correct, what you are talking about now is jsut specualtion and there is no need for that, it wont affect the game or the lore.

(September 29th 2013, 02:33 AM)Archmage Alator Wrote:

(September 29th 2013, 02:29 AM)Sir DJ Fails-Alot Wrote:

(September 28th 2013, 10:52 AM)Archmage Alator Wrote: The underpopulation thing for the Bretons is not correct at all in the lore. Daggerfall has more than 100000 Citizens in the lore...

I would say that if not underpopulated yet, that it would be headed that way. This is, after all, during a time of economic collapse and impoverishment. Looking at how the Great Depression affected us, there were many suicides, especially among businessmen. The rich were then middle/working class, and the working class had nothing but a small amount of kindling for their fire in their wallets. If suicide was their way out, wouldn't it be similar in other situations of major economic collapses? On top of a possibly high suicide rate, there's the poverty that ensues in this region. It is, after all, the reason Emeric was crowned High King. Who better to bring back prosperity, food and gold back to a dying region than a merchant king?

The other provinces are more likely to face underpopulation, High Rock is the last province I would call underpopulated. And you said that they already were wich is not correct, what you are talking about now is jsut specualtion and there is no need for that, it wont affect the game or the lore.

"Our supplies dwindle. Our trade routes are shut down. Our people suffer.

Why? Because a pretender sits upon the Ruby Throne.

Let us take up arms! Let the fields of Cyrodiil run red with the blood of our fallen enemies!" -Quoted directly from http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/game-gu...l-covenant

"Our supplies dwindle. Our trade routes are shut down. Our people suffer." Barely any food. Next to no gold between anyone. People either dead or dying. Sounds like the Great Depression to me. I agree that I am speculating too much, but this does seem too ominous to ignore. Population isn't a constant, and given the situation, it isn't too farfetched to suggest a greatly declining population. At the end of the day, we can't be sure until the game gets released.

I can't say who truly deserves it, but the truth is only five of the races even stand a chance of being able to hold the ruby throne and successfully rule. I mean to be honest that is the truth only half of the ES races could even do it and of those which one deserves it is debatable from pretty much every side. The groups that couldn't for obvious reasons are Orcs, Khajits, Argonians, Dunmer, and Bosmer. I know some people would disagree with me, but maybe a bosmer or dunmer under certain pretenses, but that would be pretty extreme.

The truth is you have five races out of the ten who are either hated, distrusted, isolationist or a mish mash of other issues such as severe religious differences and many many more which automatically rules them out as rulers of the ruby throne. Then you get left with, Bretons, Nords, Redguards(? to isolationist and traditional probably), Altmer, and Imperials and between those five it gets really sketchy on debating who deserves what cause at one point or another each group has been more deserving than the other and at other points the groups have made it even hard to like them...so it gets hard to tell depending on your preferences and convictions.

As for the above discussion about strengths and weaknesses I find it odd that on the climate front the Redguards were left out when they exist much like the dunmer in a climate every other group called Uninhabitable infact the Altmer named it Hegathe which means Deathland in Aldmer so if anyone has endurance and climate resistance it is the Redguards. I also find it odd that they were not listed for resourceful when again from records of Yokuda and even examples of the arms and warrior techniques they have arguably some of the most if not the most advanced irrigation and war fare systems of any race while obviously unique and foreign they are very very advanced. That is just a side note just seems they get under credited a lot because no game other than redguard ever game them any dues when truth is they are although not magical they are inherently one of the most resilient and interesting races.

I also find it pretty odd and highly critical that you assume that DC is the only one wanting to instill fear....any ruler with sense knows that fear and respect both are tools to success in ruling a empire and so it must be said that all of them expect not just people to fear them as a victor, but expect them to fear the outcome of another war and its cost and that is the true win is making them fear the cost of the first shot which that would be every smart rulers goal....so I find it odd you would single out one faction...when all of them want that in one way or another.

I do find it odd that you also don't give the dunmer credit for climate durability again morrowind was viewed as uninhabitable location that teemed with monsters and had varied climates that all seemed alien and harsh. Farming there required years of training and developing unique and inventive manners involving minor forms of magic. The storms there so many things in general the volcanic activity it is a very extreme climate. As for underhandedness no one and I mean no one beats a dunmer they are my favorite race man and they are the race of underhandedness they are the race of assassination and subterfuge shit they have a legal A LEGAL guild of assassins that politicians employ. In fact to be killed by an assassin in their culture is somewhat of an honor cause it means you had enemies who feared you. They worship Boethia the webspinner daedric prince of deceit and betrayal no one beats them at underhanded techniques my friend.

I could dissect this all more, but I am done for now.

(September 28th 2013, 12:44 PM)Archmage Alator Wrote: Well I wonder if the Bretons make so bad rulers why most of the Emperor has been Bretons or has spent their youth in High Rock...

Seriously an Altmer on the throne would be terrible. A Bosmer.... doubtfully if they would be good rulers, and a Khajiit would make Skooma trade legal most likely wich is not a good thing...

You do realize that the Skooma trade is illegal in all the citys and regions of Elsweyr right? it's moonsugar that the Khajiit want, the skooma trade is frowned upon in Elsweyr just as much as in other provinces it's just more prominent because it's the only source of the sugar in Tamriel.

What's so terrible about an Altmer ruler? they're the most cultured race on Tamriel, they live the longest and are generally the smartest and wisest not to mention the Imperial city is theirs by right.

Since when did the Altmer have space travel though? and mass teleportation can be used by any magic user with training in that school.